Lost of fitness after surgery/2m without a bike - not possible to do intervals

I had a 2 months break in my road biking (broken forearm, surgery). I started riding 1 month after the surgery, first 2 weeks I did almost 1000km (Z2/Z3, my heartrate was 10% higher than usual, I suspect toll from the surgery), later mainly distance and Z3/Z4 - for gran fondo, also my hand was not 100% to do intervals and 2.5 month after the surgery 170km 3700m elevation gran fondo without problems. My FTP and vo2max is still a bit lower than before (lower than in January in fact :confused: ) , but I’m not able to do intervals like before: 4x12 minutes at 105%FTP (my FTP is updated - lower, my HR throughout interval is similar). First interval goes for well (second half >90%HRmax, at the end 90-92, unless I push hard and can be 92–94), but on the second I feel weaker from the start and can’t keep the power after 2 minutes.

Before (I was doing 800-1000TSS/week quite often) I was able to do 4 intervals like this (with 6-7 mins rest in-between), and quite often second interval felt easier/better than first! Looks like my body doesn’t recover so fast as before? Is it because my base is worse now? Or because lack of intervals in my training?

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Cut yourself some slack Lucas! You are not a robot (im guilty of the same self depricating mindset). The adaptations you gained prior to surgery (sustained sweet spot work) will have subsided somewhat but much of their endurance enhancing benefits such as increased mitochondrial density, capillary volume/plasma volume will still be high, hence your fondo crushing ability. The slight reductions will have reduced your resilience at a given percentage of FTP/VO2 which would indicate the reduced time of those intervals.

You appear to be at the pointy end with that TSS per week, and the gains yielded as you do more and more become more specialised and harder to sustain, a period without a specific bout of intervals/training targeting the ā€œspecialistā€ end of any energy system will result in declining adaption to the demands of that system. (Ie. the gains between 20 hour weeks and 40 hour weeks in terms of volume related adaptions will not be as big as between 0 and 20hrs per week, but they will drop away much faster going from 40hrs to 20s than from 20hr to off). The rate of return is much higher in those with substantial adaptations from previous training.

Do not fret! Enjoy the process of honing your desired energy systems and accept that these adaptations are slow and hard won, especially at that high level and especially after any surgical procedure.

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You had 2 months with no training. Your top end is in essence gone. It’ll take about another 4 months to get back to where you were. Be patient Grasshopper. It’s takes a while to build back after such a long break as you’ve had.

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Yes. Not ā€œorā€, but ā€œandā€. Probably more the later (since it goes away quicker).

I’m pretty much always in that mode this time of year since I shut down most interval training in early summer. I find that I can still do well in steady/hard long stuff and my TTE for tempo and endurance doesn’t drop that much, but the sharper stuff suffers until I get back into intervals next season. For any long races I do in the off season, that typically means letting the punchy groups go early and getting into TT mode where I can still ride tempo for 5+ hours and have a decent day.

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The longest I was of the bike was the 5wks after my bowel/colon op 6 years ago. Undoubtedly, I lost top end stuff back then , but my base was still there and I came back stronger eventually and I’m sure you will too.

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I had ~3 months off the bike for a surgery (from a bike crash that was my own fault) and significantly reduced training/riding between crash and surgery (it was a 14 month wait); fitness was horrendous when I started up again.
About 18 months after I started again, I hit my lifetime 20min power best (which I’m still quite proud of and really wish I was a lot closer to right now :grin:). Don’t fret.

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So this means you were a mutant. It might be awhile to get back to mutant status but once a mutant, always a mutant so (try to) be patient, it will come back for sure.

Was the fracture cycling related?

Joe

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yep. MTB. I’m back to it, in fact yesterday I bought Santa Cruz V10 :wink:

thx for advices, I’ll return to my intervals :slight_smile: or just loops I can do around my place, which have a lot of 5-15 mins climbs. it’s just very demotivating when you feel so ā€œweakā€ comparing to the past.

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You’ll get it back!

Everyone’s advice here so far has been great.

Make sure you’re doing the right intervals for your fitness levels, and you’ll be back before you know it. This is a great example of a solid use case for something like TR. We could help you get the right workouts in place right away and build you back up with confidence! :upside_down_face:

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Thanks :slight_smile:

How should I approach it ?

10 mins intervals with just a bit lower intensity? 95-100%FTP or shorter intervals at 105%FTP ? or maybe vo2max intervals ?

my W’ estimate (possible work above CP?) was ~25kJ or more before, now it’s ~10kJ :confused: (according to GoldenCheetah)

I understand that also it can feel difficult because my lowered pain tolerance and thus less motivation as well :frowning: