You didn’t hear it from from me but you can still access the old plans if you don’t mind digging through the bins…
For example SSB1 LV
Just roll your sleeves up and change up the last three digits of the URL.
You didn’t hear it from from me but you can still access the old plans if you don’t mind digging through the bins…
For example SSB1 LV
Just roll your sleeves up and change up the last three digits of the URL.
This is n-2 or n-3 or something. N-1 didn’t look like that.
The good news is, with a bit of url dredging, the “I want my old plans back” thing is closed. You can have your old plan, your old-old plan, and even your old-old-old plan back.
That was mid-volume?!? Wow, brutal.
I am loving the new plans! I’m 56 year old female training TT MV and I really like the new blend of endurance amongst the harder stuff. I sprinkle in outdoor rides and events as I feel.
haven’t you answered your opening question???
A, with ungimped plans, as you’ve inferred is the best route for TR to follow, so it does not answer the question as to why people are assuming the plans are gimped.
So you’re not sure why the assumption persists that plans are built for AT, but the rest of the post is saying the plans need adjusting by AT ![]()
So you’re not sure why the assumption persists that plans are built for AT, but the rest of the post is saying the plans need adjusting by AT
Well, you agreed that it makes the most sense for TR to have the best plan (and have AT tweak it), rather than a poor plan (and have AT tweak it), so does it not add up then that that is what TR would do?
brilliant ![]()
So I have something to add, and apologies if this has been mentioned, but it’s a long thread. I think we’re likely seeing a little bit of mismatch on workout levels in SOME cases that will take AT or some manual adjustment for a little bit as the whole workout library evolves. Here’s why I have that suspicion: these workout levels are put in place by a combination of user data and expected difficulty based on the intervals. Some of them haven’t really been tested as much in the grand scheme. With those workouts, the workout level could need adjustment as time goes on. I also think the relevance of the levels will be much more significant as AT is rolled out to everyone. I agree it can feel like it’s a weird and maybe suboptimal place to be with the product, but I do think the intention was, and still is, to get the product out and get it working on athletes. Of course there are some hurdles and imperfections, but I think they’ll smooth and improve pretty rapidly in the scheme of things. Speaking from experience as someone who overtrained more than once because I generally love the difficult training AND volume, I would much rather feel like I’m easily nailing everything than have the “I don’t know if I can keep doing this” thought creeping in weekly.
I think it’s also worth noting that just like in the gym, feeling blown up, sore, or otherwise devastated regularly is not necessarily the only indicator that you’re getting positive adaptations. The patient and longer, slower term bumps in fitness are often more lasting, more fun, and ultimately result in better performance over the long run than the 6 week pain fest and following crash (or even drop of fun and motivation) that a higher intensity plan or build/specialty blocks often bring.
It’s the first TR plan I did. Was fun.
Whoa, this takes me back.
I’m not saying that I agree with the intensity criticisms, just stating that the criticisms (both here and elsewhere with the DJ video and other online forums) was too many days of intensity in the MV/HV plans. The workouts themselves were tough but doable compared to others in the TR catalogue, and many had great results from following those plans.
Perhaps what would’ve been a better solution would’ve been to add an intensity breakout to each volume level- e.g. LV-low stress or LV high stress. The low stress could be the new plans introduced, and the high stress be the old plans (with maybe a couple tweaks in the workouts to not have such big jumps in progression level). Then AT could still work off giving shorter workouts/fewer intervals in low intensity plans, vs more in the high intensity iterations.
That doesn’t solve the lack of specificity in the build plans though- that is a big problem and probably why I will never use the new build plans even with AT (as someone who focuses on sustained power). The LV and MV SSB II plans are much better build plans than the actual build plans themselves!
The below is exactly most peoples concerns that in the original announcement of the new plan was. Then in the podcast following the new plan launch the squad was unable to articulate this because it would require they admit the current plans may be undertraining.
I do agree with the compliance argument. For now I am going to plan to follow the Base Plan but when I get to Build I may need to take the route of manually using TrainNow.
New Plans vs TrainNow
Prior to being included into AT, TrainNow was giving me workouts with levels that were different to the New Plans. For example, I was getting Sweetspot Level 6-7 in TrainNow vs Level 4 in the new SSB MV plans. After letting AT adapt all my upcoming workouts, all of the sudden all sweetspot workouts in my plan were Level 6+. Therefore, I can tenatively confirm that TrainNow is not overchallenging you by prescribing higher level workouts. It’s actually using your real progression levels.
Are the New Plans under-training those without AT? Potentially, especially if you are already stronger than the prescribed level. This is what I feel is what a lot of people on this thread are experiencing. I was one of them so I can empathise.
The New Plans start at a progression level that TR has researched to be achievable by the majority of athletes. Yes, the New Plans need AT to become a complete product, however, that does not mean that the New Plans can’t be executed as they are now. In my opinion, if someone executed the New Plans to 100% compliance versus 70% compliance on the old plans, then that athlete is better off.
The solution? The temporary solution as mentioned earlier in the thread is to look at your TrainNow level and then pick a workout from the library of similar level which resembles that of the original workout you are trying to ‘manually adapt’. It sucks, yes for sure, but it’s only temporary.
The LV and MV SSB II plans are much better build plans than the actual build plans themselves!
QFT
139 & 140 ![]()
Anybody been able to find the old Sustained Power Build MV plan? I’ve trawled through a few pages but not seen it yet.
Im losing faith with society.