Looking for the podcast where they discuss having a friend or significant other play the role of soigneur

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Any help appreciated. I’ve searched a bit and I’ve came up empty.

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I think it could be one of the episodes where they spoke about 24H in the Old Pueblo.

Have a look here?

https://soundcloud.com/search?q=trainerroad%20old%20pueblo

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They also talk about it extensively in the recap of Nate’s Leadville race.

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Thanks @Brando and @Scorpion756. Neither of those are the one I was thinking of.

I just found it:

The relevant discussion starts at 10m 30s.