That is a perfect example of what I was talking about…@DaveQB would be far better off canceling his membership and paying for TR as he needs it. But he wants to retain his Legacy status, so he keeps paying for something he doesn’t really use or need.
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Same for me. I use TR every now and then but been doing more unstructured outdoor rides, concept 2 rowing and lifting the last year or so. I used to zwift but dropped that sub a while back.
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Legacy pricing is a reward to the people who did leconte and Mary Austin multiple times a year bc it was “in the plan” 
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Same here, in fact I just paid for another year at $99. I only use TR when the weather sucks so 3-5 months a year, and only regularly (more than once a week) for maybe 2 months a year. I haven’t used it at all in 10 months so somewhat stupid to keep my subscription, but like you I want to keep that $99/year rate.
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Now, thanks to ‘Alternative’ button, we see that those workouts were nothing more than an amuse-bouche to the real horrors residing in the TR catalogue.
In the past I have complained about the legacy pricing model and it not being fair that customers have no way of ever reaching that level of discount for loyalty. It fell on deaf ears. I ended up sucking it up and paying the 189 because I wanted something to support my cycling.
However, I have come to the conclusion, based on my own personal preferences, that I don’t see the value at 189. My usage is minimal, it isn’t fit for my needs. I’m not even sure when my annual subscription ends. I won’t be renewing. There are far more cheaper alternatives that I can use. If I was someone who had 0000s of ££$$$ and I wasn’t bothered about value, sure I’d keep paying. If I was a dedicated cyclist who regularly uses plans, sure I’d keep paying but based on my needs I can get away with using some other services
If TR were to offer a 99 subscription I would probably pay it in the future because at that price point I would probably find value. I guess in a market driven economy TR see their pricing structure as working for them. It is their choice alone and it is the consumer who has the choice to either subscribe or not to subscribe. Moan away but the most powerful tool consumers have is their debit card number!
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They could always offer $99/yr pricing with the caveat that you get a legacy version of the app that is from pre 2018 (when the $99/yr price increased iirc).
You’d have ramp tests, performance analytics, calendar but none of the other cool bells and whistles like AT, TrainNow or AIFTP.
Maybe that’d be enough for some small group but I think most would say f that and that it doesn’t offer enough value, even tho that was the state of the product when us legacy pricers were paying year over year
Let people have all the bells and whistles and 99 retro, but they’ll have to go back to 20 min testing.
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There is a third that relates to fairness, but I think that fails in my eyes because in the purest sense, the service is either worth what you pay for it or it’s not.
I think the issue is that lots of newer subscribers feel that an annual sub is worth what other people are paying for it. If it was $100 for a sub, but legacy subscribers were on $50, then I dont think there would be an issue. At $189, its expensive enough to fall into the realm of can I afford TR and Zwift or do I need to make a choice, or look at other options… Perhaps ~$100 a year is a watermark for a lot of people, bear in mind often people have a lot of subs, not just to training apps.
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Lots of companies/services use legacy pricing. People need to get over it. I have a $189/year subscription and don’t care if someone pays less for their subscription or less overall because they only pay for six months of the year on a monthly basis. Either you see value in the training/use of TR or you don’t. That should drive your spending, not what someone else is locked in at some point. Fast forward five years when people are paying $249/year and you’ll see them complaining about the $189/year people with those people “defending” their legacy status. Once again, just focus on you and the rest will work itself out…jeez it’s basically the conversation you have with a child.
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I really don’t understand how your reply relates to my comment, which was nothing but a lame attempt at making fun at this stupid toxic discussion. But it looks like it got you going, so rest assured I didn’t mean to offend you in any way.
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It looks like I tagged you by accident while replying to the general forum. It’s just meant as a general comment to all of the whining going on about pricing. LOL…no need to get toxic over the comment…joking of course 
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Generally, when responding, using the grey “reply” button visible in each post tags the writer of that post and looks like a response to that specific person.
Selecting the boxed in red “Reply” button at the bottom of the thread allows a general reply without tagging anyone.
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Yep, clumsy thumbs that still struggle with touchscreen phones 
. Oh well, the general statements still hold.
Well, it’s raining dogs and cats here and I’m delaying doing work and/or riding the trainer. So…
Don’t believe TrainerRoad has ever shared that information. Nor would they be expected to. Never the less, there are estimates of user numbers of various established cycling applications which are tossed around on the webs. Take all the numbers with a huge grain of salt:
Strava - 100 million users
Peloton - 2 million users
Zwift - 1 million users
TrainerRoad - 150-200 thousand users
Interesting on $100 line in the sand. Will admit that for myself, am happy to pay $100 per year for TR on legacy pricing. But for my usage and needs (see below), likely would not continue with a yearly subscription at the current $189 per year price.
Looking at the major cycling apps, pricing is all over the map, but it looks like $200 annually is the line the bigger companies don’t want to cross. Some annual costs at the lowest price possible excluding legacy:
Some of the more common cycling apps
TR $189 ($240 total if paying monthly for 12 months)
Zwift $180 (total for 12 months; no discount for a year long sub)
WKO5 $170 (single time purchase cost so not apples to apples)
SYSTM $129 ($180 if paying monthly for 12 months)
Training Peaks $120 yearly (billed monthly)
XERT $100 ($120 if paying monthly)
WKO5 $170 single time purchase
TrainerDay $48 (might be a discount, am not giving them my email to find out)
Golden Cheetah - Free
Intervals.ICU - Free
Am sure others have bigger and better and more accurate lists. Ray (DC Rainmaker) did a comprehensive look at cycling apps a few years ago. Don’t think it’s been updated as doing so is a ton of work.
(*) My TR Use Case:
(1) Use the Workout player as a nice display while riding. I don’t ride in ERG mode so don’t utilize the trainer control features.
(2) Use the Workout Creator and have a number of workouts that I have made which are much more “fun” than the standard TR offerings. Also have lactate test protocols and some other goodies.
(3) Use the calendar as a logbook but also do the same in WKO5. I don’t need TR Calendar function but have been in the habit of using it so keep it up to date.
(4) From time to time I will grab a 6-8 week “plan” and use it as a block of training.
What would get me more excited about TR? Three things: (a) Workout plans that are not time crunched and so intensity heavy. (b) Evidence that AT works well and consistently for a variety of different athletes. (c) Full and easy to manage incorporation of outdoor riding.
I recognize that some of those are very big and difficult asks and may not be achievable.
Take Home for me is the cycling app space is highly varied and priced at several different points. As an athlete / consumer, there are numerous ways to assemble a very robust training ecosystem with different levels of features and hand holding. Compared to when I started bike riding and racing, when all we had were rollers and RacerMates for the winter months, and power meters had not been invented yet (LOL), we live in a pretty darn good time.
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I’m not cycling very long in the scheme of things, and I originally got TrainerRoad as it was getting problematic to get to my club (heart rate based) turbo sessions with two young children! I don’t think the club (which I’m no longer in) are even running them anymore, with all the home options.
Not paying anywhere near that, guess I’m on a discounted price. 
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There could be impact from the merger affecting pricing for some users. I have not digested all of this, but the following comes from their page.
I was already subscribed to RGT. How did my subscription change?
If you had an active RGT subscription through Apple or Google, your subscription is now upgraded to a Wahoo X subscription, which gives you access to all of the premium features and content for both SYSTM and RGT. Your subscription price will continue at $9.99/month until Sept 1, 2022, when prices will increase to the standard Wahoo X subscription price which is currently $14.99/month.
If you had subscription through the RGT website, your subscription will not auto-renew but it will remain active through May 31, 2022. If you re-subscribe through the website before June 30, 2022, your subscription price will continue at $9.99/month until Sept 1, 2022, when prices will increase to the standard Wahoo X subscription price which is currently $14.99/month. The Wahoo X subscription gives you access to all of the premium features and content for both SYSTM and RGT.
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In all honesty, anybody who has successfully completed WWDD (Full version), should get their own tier 
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Was having this discussion this AM on the group ride…it was 41* and my temperature threshold is now inversely related to my age.
I used to go out to about freezing…but indoor training was near-unbearable for anything over an hour.
Today, between smart trainers, training apps and a myriad of entertainment options, if the temp is below 40*, I’m staying inside.
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