It looks like I tagged you by accident while replying to the general forum. It’s just meant as a general comment to all of the whining going on about pricing. LOL…no need to get toxic over the comment…joking of course 
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Generally, when responding, using the grey “reply” button visible in each post tags the writer of that post and looks like a response to that specific person.
Selecting the boxed in red “Reply” button at the bottom of the thread allows a general reply without tagging anyone.
Yep, clumsy thumbs that still struggle with touchscreen phones 
. Oh well, the general statements still hold.
Well, it’s raining dogs and cats here and I’m delaying doing work and/or riding the trainer. So…
Don’t believe TrainerRoad has ever shared that information. Nor would they be expected to. Never the less, there are estimates of user numbers of various established cycling applications which are tossed around on the webs. Take all the numbers with a huge grain of salt:
Strava - 100 million users
Peloton - 2 million users
Zwift - 1 million users
TrainerRoad - 150-200 thousand users
Interesting on $100 line in the sand. Will admit that for myself, am happy to pay $100 per year for TR on legacy pricing. But for my usage and needs (see below), likely would not continue with a yearly subscription at the current $189 per year price.
Looking at the major cycling apps, pricing is all over the map, but it looks like $200 annually is the line the bigger companies don’t want to cross. Some annual costs at the lowest price possible excluding legacy:
Some of the more common cycling apps
TR $189 ($240 total if paying monthly for 12 months)
Zwift $180 (total for 12 months; no discount for a year long sub)
WKO5 $170 (single time purchase cost so not apples to apples)
SYSTM $129 ($180 if paying monthly for 12 months)
Training Peaks $120 yearly (billed monthly)
XERT $100 ($120 if paying monthly)
WKO5 $170 single time purchase
TrainerDay $48 (might be a discount, am not giving them my email to find out)
Golden Cheetah - Free
Intervals.ICU - Free
Am sure others have bigger and better and more accurate lists. Ray (DC Rainmaker) did a comprehensive look at cycling apps a few years ago. Don’t think it’s been updated as doing so is a ton of work.
(*) My TR Use Case:
(1) Use the Workout player as a nice display while riding. I don’t ride in ERG mode so don’t utilize the trainer control features.
(2) Use the Workout Creator and have a number of workouts that I have made which are much more “fun” than the standard TR offerings. Also have lactate test protocols and some other goodies.
(3) Use the calendar as a logbook but also do the same in WKO5. I don’t need TR Calendar function but have been in the habit of using it so keep it up to date.
(4) From time to time I will grab a 6-8 week “plan” and use it as a block of training.
What would get me more excited about TR? Three things: (a) Workout plans that are not time crunched and so intensity heavy. (b) Evidence that AT works well and consistently for a variety of different athletes. (c) Full and easy to manage incorporation of outdoor riding.
I recognize that some of those are very big and difficult asks and may not be achievable.
Take Home for me is the cycling app space is highly varied and priced at several different points. As an athlete / consumer, there are numerous ways to assemble a very robust training ecosystem with different levels of features and hand holding. Compared to when I started bike riding and racing, when all we had were rollers and RacerMates for the winter months, and power meters had not been invented yet (LOL), we live in a pretty darn good time.
I’m not cycling very long in the scheme of things, and I originally got TrainerRoad as it was getting problematic to get to my club (heart rate based) turbo sessions with two young children! I don’t think the club (which I’m no longer in) are even running them anymore, with all the home options.
There could be impact from the merger affecting pricing for some users. I have not digested all of this, but the following comes from their page.
I was already subscribed to RGT. How did my subscription change?
If you had an active RGT subscription through Apple or Google, your subscription is now upgraded to a Wahoo X subscription, which gives you access to all of the premium features and content for both SYSTM and RGT. Your subscription price will continue at $9.99/month until Sept 1, 2022, when prices will increase to the standard Wahoo X subscription price which is currently $14.99/month.
If you had subscription through the RGT website, your subscription will not auto-renew but it will remain active through May 31, 2022. If you re-subscribe through the website before June 30, 2022, your subscription price will continue at $9.99/month until Sept 1, 2022, when prices will increase to the standard Wahoo X subscription price which is currently $14.99/month. The Wahoo X subscription gives you access to all of the premium features and content for both SYSTM and RGT.
In all honesty, anybody who has successfully completed WWDD (Full version), should get their own tier 
Was having this discussion this AM on the group ride…it was 41* and my temperature threshold is now inversely related to my age.
I used to go out to about freezing…but indoor training was near-unbearable for anything over an hour.
Today, between smart trainers, training apps and a myriad of entertainment options, if the temp is below 40*, I’m staying inside.
my age and my new temp threshold is much closer to 50* these days (also not going out in the cold if its windy and wet)
After a lot of thinking and not using TR for a variety of reasons the past few years (riding more outside, spending additional family time and other activities, etc) I let my grandfathered plan go yesterday and did not renew for the first time in 4 years.
Great community a love the product and team. Good luck to everyone and will hang at the forum still as that is good fun.
Oh man. Way to rip the band-aid off! Almost identical situation here.
I am due on the 9th. I was certain I would cancel and lose my grandfathered plan, like you, but now as the date draws near, I am getting cold feet 
It would be good if there was a second market for Legacy Accounts /LOL
I know inflation and a strong US dollar are hurting most people, us included.
Inflation in the US was 7% last year. Meaning that our employees need a 7% raise just to stay neutral. Salary is by far our biggest expense. Then all of our vendors are also raising prices on us, thus squeezing us more.
Then on the other side, Europe (and others) are getting hit hard by the exchange rate when they buy US goods/services.
And then you have the entire contraction of the indoor cycling market with Peloton, Zwift, Wahoo, and Saris showing weakness.
I think we’ll go ahead with the plan I talked about on the forum before. We’ll likely have an opt-out legacy price update where legacy people can choose to stay on their legacy price. They will have up to a year to make that choice so that there’s not a short window and it looks like we’re trying to pull a fast one on them.
That way the people who are hurting can still use TR, but for those where a few extra dollars a month isn’t an issue, it will help us combat the market pressure that we’re facing and allow us to stay a viable company.
We’ll most likely do this tied to more feature releases this fall. We’re pretty close on AI FTP Detection and then we have WLV2 very close and Red/Green after that.
Tokenize it and sell a picture of the cryptocurrency as an NFT. Thats how you beat inflation smartly
Thanks for the info, Nate
Just one question from this:
- We already have AI FTP Detection. Is this meant to be a different feature listed here?
Bike parts and shops have been so expensive that even at full price TR saves me money just by cutting down wear on the other bikes. It seems like every trip to the shop is $400 for the mountain bike, so having TrainNow to make hopping on for an indoor ride mindless and productive pays for itself IMO.
Then if you look at paying for a coach, even just buying preset training blocks, and sheesh TR hasn’t even crossed my mind to cancel.
It will have auto-detection and a much better interface. Right now it’s only in early access.
There are also some improvements to the AI Detection itself, and we’re adding some “come back from training” features along with a few other things.
Ahhh, OK. That makes sense and I forget about that getting mentioned on cast previously.
That’s true.
But being a nice forum, where people are allowed to voice their opinion, why not use it as a platform to do just that? Nothing ever changes unless people advocate for change in one way or another.
This opens up all sorts of opportunities!! You could mint NFTs based on bumps in your FTP. Or when you nail a stretch workout. Sell and/or trade for TRCoin, on the brand new 12-speed-blockchain. Of course, legacy users get extra flair for higher values. The TR crew, at the base of the pyramid…er…on the ground floor, get to buy more hair product and fancy bikes!