🎉🎉🎉 Introducing Outside Workouts! 🎉🎉🎉

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Awesome feature. I really hope you guys will get support to send the workouts to Wahoo head units soon.
Outdoor season is starting here now, so it’s gonna be hard to be motivated to do the indoor workouts.

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… while still maintaining the indoor FTP value for indoor workouts, right? Therefore - two FTP numbers. Then - how is TSS calculated, etc. But anyway, at that point, there are 2 numbers used in a set of calculations that currently uses only one.

Maybe you should not have called it outdoor FTP but just “conversation factor for outdoor workout watts” as a profile setting with a default of 1,00 :wink:

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This indoor vs outdoor ftp is way over complicating matters and it absolutely not necessary for TR and I hope they don’t put one second into programming it that way.

Your FTP is set in the head unit NOT the workout created and pushed to Bolt or Garmin. The workouts are set up as a % of your FTP which is then applied to the number programmed into your head unit. If you want to leave your head unit at one FTP because that is your outside bike then just do that and leave a different FTP in your TR account.

When you’re seeing the text currently that is showing the power targets it is taking a % for the interval and multiplying that by your FTP in TR and then spitting out a number in text format for the interval target. That is why in the first few posts you can see people saying that the power target was “6-6” or “3-5”. That was a calculation error.

For example if the workout is supposed to be 3x10m right at FTP, when that gets pushed to the head unit it comes over as 3x10m @100%. FTP equals whatever is in the head unit.

I also believe if people have the correct setup with fans, etc. that the difference comes really down to a mental challenge not a physiological one. Your lactate clearance, mitochondrial density, etc. doesn’t change because one day you hopped on the trainer vs riding outside.

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Except you made that up. :slight_smile: @Nate_Pearson mentioned in an earlier post that they will push workouts with absolute wattages to not have to deal with FTP in Garmin Connect, which TR can’t manipulate from the outside.

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I posted my ramp test in the workout thread and my reasoning in this one. Could you elaborate on the mental challenges I am apparently having?

While the aerobic side of things is certainly the same, musle recruitment isn’t. Good that it is not an issue for you. However, I am left puzzled why you and others are so much against it. I am sure there are and will be features I won’t have use for but might help others.

In the end TR will decide the priorities I have just mentioned the issue that bothers me.

Hmm interesting, I guess I don’t know why TR would even want to mess with it. I would hope people are responsible enough to program their FTP correctly in their Garmin so their workouts and IF, TSS are correct when viewed on the device. I dont want TR sending over absolute values, I’d rather have percentages.

Thx for the catch btw, I haven’t read all 447 posts :wink:

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I’ve noticed for some folks it takes them a while to get used to riding inside and the resistance of a trainer, standing up enough, etc. Once they get through this they are able to put out very close to the same power in vs out, especially on efforts less than 30 minutes. Not sure on your situation but this has been my experience.

I also think low inertia trainers make this more difficult.
Probably another thread but I just don’t think there is a need for this.

Just seen this thread.

I didn’t even realise there was a demand for using TR outside.

Am I missing something? Surely training indoors under very controlled circumstances is still the most optimum. But I understand it if people want to train outdoors.

Perhaps it is also a way to stop people drifting away from TR once the warmer outdoor seasons arrive. If so then fair enough.

I just came across this thread today. Fantastic news!
Please keep us informed as to when/how we can implement the push of workouts to Garmin head units.
Thanks!!

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so many people where I live do structured training outside, and it is how I got started. On the way home from a group ride tonight, a little sub-group of 4 of us that live near each other and one guy commented the brand new “closed to traffic” roads we were traveling on would be ideal for doing vo2max intervals.

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Super excited for this! Mentally I’ve found it difficult to stick to indoor workouts this time of year when the days are becoming longer and the temperatures are rising. Watching with interest :slight_smile:

@Nate_Pearson, you need one of those “#1 CEO” or “Best CEO” coffee mugs like I get from my kids for Father’s Day. Ya know they don’t just give those out to everyone.

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Can you search through the outside workouts?

The outside workouts are not accessible separately at this time.

Me neither, all the more reason to make this a collective endeavor. :wink:

The trainer is for when it’s snowing or raining outside.

So for most of the year a lot of us do structured training outside.

I know out of my riding group, most of us that use TrainerRoad, simply attach our phones to our stems and run the workouts outside on the road rather than doing them on a trainer.

At the end of the workout you simply discard the workout from the app and upload whatever your Garmin recorded.

That’s why it will be super nice to be able to access the workouts straight from the Garmin and not have to run the phone and Garmin at the same time.

At the end of the day, I ride my bike to have fun and I don’t find the trainer to be fun.

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Why, do you have a death wish? :wink:

I’m not so sure you can make that statement and that’s where the ultra competitive versus weekend warrior TR users depart. There is a divide inside of TR users.

For me and for many TR users, the trainer is where I get fast, dial in my intervals and make my biggest improvements. Those 2 intervals sessions (Tues & Thurs on MV plan) are non-negotiable on the trainer structured workouts. It could be a perfect day outside and there’s no way you’re getting me out of my dark dingy basement to get in my interval sessions. That is where pain and gains happen. I have big goals, races and long term aspirations and those hinge on consistency. Consistency that generally can’t be achieved outdoors.

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