I’m curious how others incorporate (or don’t incorporate) Garmin Training Readiness data into their TR planned workouts? Since TR uses TSS for managing total weekly load, there is a gap where HRV, Sleep Quality, Stress, and Recovery Time, is not incorporated into the training plan. For example, the AI does not know if your latest B event has lingering recovery time and HRV normalization. I may get one red card day after the event but may actually need 2-3 days of recovery to be at full training readiness.
Is anyone adjusting their AI plan based on other quantitative data from Garmin? If so, what is your approach and philosophy. Are you canceling scheduled workouts, or decreasing duration/intensity? Other options?
I had Claude read my garmin HRV and sleep score and it would always tell me to rest or do any easier workout. Garmin HRV and sleep is not accurate as I can be awake in the middle of the night and it would say I was asleep.
I just go by how I feel the morning of the workout and adjust if needed.
Nope , devices are not there yet. A bad night sleep, bad HRV data, high HR overnight, or whatever… shouldn’t derail a workout. Points to a possibility (maybe) of issue, but it also could be nothing. Unplanned issues with free time to train will throw enough monkey wrenches into a block or season of training, don’t need to artificially do it.
A progressive and smart training plan handles it all for you pretty much prescriptively, don’t need a negative hypothetical body status telling you not to train.
Will you maybe under preform a workout, maybe bail, etc… of course… but more time then not, you’ll knock out the workout and feel good in a couple days to do it again!
A single day of data probably isn’t enough to make a decision but trends do. Started a more stressful position at work and my HRV has tanked. I typically have a couple low HRV days regardless of training stress before I’m getting sick.
It’s not 100% but it can be a useful sign if used correctly.
I use it to spot long term patterns, usually when work and riding are just being a bit too stressful and it usually shows up in the data a few days before I get sick.
I usually look at it after taking stock of how I’m feeling in the morning.
IDK. I got Garmin watch ~18 months ago. So far, I haven’t been able to make any sense of the data. HRV, sleep quality, and body battery don’t seem to correlate to reality. If I’m getting sick, it shows up after I’m already well aware of it.
This is my experience as well, got both flu and covid last winter a couple of weeks apart, HRV didn’t change until a few days after symptoms and feelings were at the worst. Sleep is also a bit flaky, woke up at 3am the other night and struggled to get back to sleep, Garmin said I had plenty of deep sleep, maybe upto 3am perhaps, but after that it was terrible.
I think the challenge is, that your HRV response is not the same / consistent across everyone under similar conditions. Each of us has a different fight or flight response. Where as you recognise you feel more stressed and can act on that regards your workouts as best suits you. Maybe a good hard workout will reduce your stress. Depends.
I’ve tried looking at physiological data to create deterministic workflows - if x > n and y < m then do z
Id say our physiology doesn’t work like that, so don’t try. All of these markers are indicators not instructions, so look at the data to confirm feelings rather than determine actions.
I get up in the morning and wait 15-30 minute before I check the data. This give me time to determine my own RPE. I then look at the numbers from Garmin and record my personal feelings of fatigue, soreness, and motivation. Once I have my self check recorded and review what Garmin has to say, I use it all together to decide if I stick with the planned workout or modify, and I might modify during the workout as well, based on how I feel during my extended warm up.
I might be one of the lucky ones though, as Garmin monitors my sleep amazingly well. Whoop, on the other hand, was TERRIBLE.
As others have said, I don’t treat Garmin as gospel, it’s just another piece of the equation.
Seems TR could allow users to opt into sharing Garmin, Woop, Ora, etc data and start doing some analytics against yellow/red days vs what other biometrics are indicating. Over time, I would imagine there would be enough data to help inform the red/yellow functionality.
We recently added sub maximal fatigue testing into Intervals.icu to try to answer the “do I need to rest” question. The core data is heart rate response to a 3 minute effort at a fixed power or pace. RPE and wellness (sleep, resting HR, HRV, fatigue etc.) help make the call. The test is easy enough to do whenever you are fresh, with little impact on your training.
I’d say that some people know and some people don’t. There may not be many on this thread, but I was one of the latter. I wanted numbers to point me in the right direction.
If I asked my body what it wanted, the answer was pretty much always “lie down now.” during racing. On training days “get pissed and/or laid”. So not much help.
There are folks at the other end who would go into vo2max intervals five minutes after a heart op because “it’s on the plan”.
I never found anyone who could teach me that awareness, it just grew over ten years or so.
. Trends overtime might be useful, overall pros use it has its own place in the bigger picture.