but by TR Software version standards, it’s an older thread, so my question isn’t really answered there.
How to create an AI guided plan that raises the floor because raising the ceiling could be a life changing experience and not in a good way.
VO2 and Threshold workouts are sure fire ways to push into the danger zone. On one hand I want to complete the interval and workout, but on the other hand not dying is a huge goal. So how can I tell TR AI that in fact, No going over 160 (or name your appropriate HR) isn’t where I’m going and if you put me there I will drop the intensity or just quit the workout, so let’s just not do that. Okay? Good talk AI, Good talk.
There’s no way to use HR as a limiter for prescription in TR.
If you’re concerned that going over a specific HR will cause heart problems, I STRONGLY suggest not following a structured training plan from any source that has you doing high intensity or long duration work.
If you are just trying to minimize your time at high intensity, I’d recommend the following changes, but absolutely affirm you run all of this by a medical professional first:
Do no more than 2 days per week of intensity
Pick shorter interval structures that don’t have you spending a lot of time at threshold and vo2max intensities
Yep, I get that. What I’m trying to get at is if I cut intensity or swap workouts to keep the time at prescribed Max HR within the acceptable window, is the TR model going to “get the hint” and adjust or am I going to have to swap out or drop the intensity manually forever.
I’m already using Master’s plans, so 2 days of hard are already baked in and at 45 minutes to keep the time in the top end manageable.
I totally get that it’s an outlier scenario as far as the model goes, but at the same time there is some logic in there to adjust after seeing my mods.
I’ll probably end up tapping the coaches community outside TR to see what the experiences are with athletes out there in the real world.
Suffice to say I’m not going to be beating anyone to the entrance of the dirt at the start of the Fuego XL at Sea Otter in April. Raising the floor with consistency is where I’m at today.
It’s tough to say for sure since we have not built for this use case. I would assume it would give you easier workouts if you are cutting them short and marking it due to intensity, but that could lead to sub-par recommendations/experience down the road.
Potentially? Again, it’s hard to say as we haven’t built for this use case, and I also don’t want to provide any specific guidance considering the health conditions you stated in the original post.
What might help here: use masters plan with 2 intensity days + add a couple of easy rides during a week with IF no more than 0.6-0.65.
Use something like “general endurance/fitness” plan.
For Training approach: choose “conservative” and look carefully for what workouts are prescribed.
You should not go to 1.5+ minute intervals for VO2Max or 4-5+ minute intervals at FTP+, because such workouts will elevate your HR above 160+ pretty quickly.
You provably even might skip those FTP and VO2max at all and just ride 4-5 minute intervals at sweet spot as your hardest workout + rest will be easy rides.
As Jonathan said, this is quite non-standard training approach, so you might need to not fully rely on prescribed AI workouts, but manage them by yourself to stay in HR limit. TR is just a tool and you (and me, and any person using TR) are the one who should use this tool wisely and listen to their body (or doctor).
I’m in the same AF boat and taking Flecainide, which limits my max heart rate. I don’t do vo2 any more since even if I get my hr to my new suppressed max (158 vs previously 175) I’m not sure that’s high enough to trigger the adaptations I’m after. Oh, and I don’t want to trigger an arrhythmia. If you’re not time crunched, a lot of z2 and z3 volume is helpful. And building out sweet-spot TTE a couple times a week will build fatigue resistance and likely keep you at a safe hr. Your FTP will plateau, but that’s the price of not being able to do vo2. My goal is to bring my LT1 up so ultimately I’m riding longer at a higher power in long gravel races. FWIW.
Yeah, that’s where I’m headed as well. I was hoping to tune the model, but from the sound of it, I’ll just be setting up a plan, and subbing in the workouts that won’t trigger an episode. I am fortunate that my episodes don’t last very long. Hearing about people who are in afib for days is just
there is some logic in there to adjust after seeing my mods.