Has TrainerRoad Dropped the Ball?

I am. I write my workouts in intervals.icu and drop them into my calendar which syncs to MyWhoosh (also works with zwift) and then I click my calendar in MyWhoosh and the workouts appear there. Then MyWhoosh controls the trainer

100% my experience and opinion too.

Except I don’t plan anything myself, I let TR do it. Thats the beauty of it all for me, I don’t need to think about it, I turn it on, accept or decline the recommendations depending on how I feel and just get on with it.

Life is busy, I’m not a pro, I dont have the time or inkling to worry too much about the minutia of the training (and I reckon that most people overthink it).

I think people have either lost sight of, or didnt even know that TR’s main strapline was all about the “Time Crunched Cyclist” - Which is me. Not the “I just had my best season and decided to try TR Cyclist”. :face_with_open_eyes_and_hand_over_mouth:

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If I have a bug bear it is this. The plan builder is a bit like those old run and gun games where there was no open world at all. I guess they have to manage the database to get the required vectors for the desired user outcomes. I can’t easily pick and choose the timings and phases I want to do. Or at least it wasn’t obvious to me how to. Once I wanted to reverse periodize I knew that I was going have a constraint on my time when I would usually go old school time in the saddle. I couldn’t do it with Plan Builder. At least a couple of years ago when I was looking then. Then there is the “adaptive” bit…

I had a job trip that landed on me in the middle of my plan. It was a week before a scheduled rest week. I duly logged it in the calendar. I expected that the plan would move the rest week and replan accordingly. It did nothing other than replan my progress levels. I would have thought that such an adaption would have been a gimme in terms of plan adaptation.

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It does do that…. but only if you get it to recalculate your whole plan…. which is annoying to be fair.

I get this frustration, I really do, and I’ve personally felt it before…BUT…I’ve seen the TR folks reply that all of that travel and business trips lead to huge life stress, and you often still need time to recover from that, even if you weren’t working out as much. I can’t argue against that as I often “need a vacation from my vacation”, or go on business trips that result in absolutely terrible sleep/eating/stress. I’m also someone who feels much happier and healthier with routine, quiet time alone, structure, etc., and vacations and work trips often lead to very little of that.

I think the solution is probably using something like RLGL or Body Battery type things, but I don’t think the science is fully there yet (anywhere, not just TR), so it might need something like (yes, this is over simplified) “how was your trip? Are you exhausted or are you revving to get back to hard training?”

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I’ve had this response as well, and I don’t disagree that business trips can be stressful - but equally, a week’s vacation sitting by a pool need not be stressful at all. Currently all planned time off is treated more like the former than the latter.

Moreover, if I put planned time off into week 3 of a 4 week training block, it will maintain week 4 on my return as a recovery week in line with the thinking above. However, if I plan time off for week 4, the recovery week, it still has me go straight back into a regular week 1 of the next block - implying that my trip didn’t have the stress and allowed me to recover. You can’t have it both ways!

Simple, but more effective than the current solution, which is not an adaptation for time off, but just a cancellation of whatever was in your plan.

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That’s the thing though. Many of us don’t have vacations like this. I don’t think I’ve had one since I was in my 20s, and at that point in my life, that pool time involved a lot of alcohol and crap food. My vacations in my 40s and 50s tend to be busy, moving between locations, travel, lots of dining out, shopping, big crowds, etc., OR they’re heavily active exercise vacations.

Either way, the current system clearly leans toward forcing that recovery week even if it’s not needed, and we all agree there needs to be a better solution.

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The hot take on this topic is, only go on cycling holidays.

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And then get stressed because your PL’s drop from unstructured training. :rofl:

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This sums it up completely.

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Sorry I haven’t read through all 157 posts, but I think it was after red light/green light that the plan builder has had a lot of updates - like the ability to add unstructured solo/group rides, etc. - some of which brought me back - they gave it a massive machine-learning boost - no more canned plans. It’s actually awesome in a very quiet, non-hypey sort of way.

I too am wondering what happened to @Nate_Pearson and was starting to worry, lol. I hope he’s just heads down on the next big update.

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Out of curiosity: have you gone on vacation with several small children? Hence, a calm, relaxing vacation (≠ bad vacation!) isn’t an option for all of us.

Yes, agreed. Although probably AT needs to learn a few tricks until that’s possible.

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I have! Father of twins + one other, and there’s no way I would have described holidays when they were small as restful, so I completely get that point. But they do grow up, and it’s now within my gift to decide on how relaxing/stressful a week off may be.

The issue is, I think, that stress levels incurred from a week off sit on a broad spectrum depending on circumstances, and currently the system can’t differentiate. As you and @pbase correctly point out, that seems a non-trivial problem to solve, and I have no issue with that being said, rather than being told it’s because all time off is stressful….. unless, of course, your time off is in a recovery week, in which case jump right back into the over/unders on your plan for Monday! :wink:

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I so feel you! And have complained about exactly this: Plan Builder: Please Stop Freaking Out Over My Vacation

Eddie gave an answer which was (paraphrased): We hear you, you can manually adjust, Planbuilder is not able to do this for you at the moment…

I think that‘s my main issue at the moment: The AI is not smart enough for certain things, but is not a great tool to help someone individualize their plan and training.

I have in windowed on one desktop on my Mac and if I swipe to another desktop, to watch TV for example, it usually crashes. I would like it a whole lot more if it didn’t do that - may I ask what device you run TrainerDay on? I could just put it on an iPad and watch TV on the laptop. I might try that tomorrow.

I’m currently using TR, but in the past I’ve used TD with both a MacBook and an iPad. I would use it only for that that, my entertainment was on a TV, so I can’t give feedback on your scenario. Good luck!

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hmmm, eddie is trolling again.

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