??? I use outdoor workouts all the time on my Wahoos, previously on the ELEMNT and now on the Roam. Or were you just saying that at the time of your Garmin purchase it did not support outdoor workouts?
custom screen with fields:
- Graphical > Power
- Power > Max Lap Power
- Graphical > Power Graph
the first and third are redundant and on the latest version I have 3-sec power and lap power at the top. I’m still playing around with that screen and making changes depending on the sprints I’m doing.
Seriously it sounds like bad hardware and I would exchange it under warranty - that behavior would drive me crazy.
For example a guy I know has a Wahoo ELEMNT and endless issues with elevation, here are the comments from last weekend’s 2,400’ climbing ride that showed 32,000’ of climbing:
my message to him - call Wahoo and get it exchanged! Clearly there is a problem with his Elemnt.
@Agglo back to your 830, something is wrong, call Garmin and get it exchanged. As a quick sanity check I pulled up the DCRainmaker review and did a quick search thru the comments. Didn’t really see anything. Garmin launched the 530 and 830 in April 2019, and I bought my 530 in August. It has been reliable and worked well from the beginning - one exception being a minor issue with auto ride upload and long since fixed.
yes there was a delay, TR outdoor workouts appeared first on Garmin and then later on Wahoo. Just like I’ve been using Varia radar integration on Garmin and only recently did Wahoo add support for Varia. And Wahoo still doesn’t support light networks. I filed at least 4 support tickets with Wahoo about adding support for safety features.
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Thanks for your consideration.
I wish it was a hardware defect, but I am quite sure it’s just inferior software on Garmin’s part. Why? Last year, the elevation % was very jumpy, often 2-3% high or low until it settled on a constant climb. A few updates later, the jumpiness is gone and the value is smooth as it should be, but 5-10 sec slower than on the Bolt. That’s not a hardware issue, just bad coding.
Same for GPS accuracy: Improved, but still not very good.
Also regarding the TBT routing: it works fine on basic scenarios, but give it a roundabout and it fails when using Garmin default cycling map. I have to use alternative maps to get correct roundabout instructions… also, if there are multiple turns in short order, the device is likely to miss some of them due to processing lag (sometimes 20-30 sec lag/freeze after a turn).
I have tried to get meaningful support from Garmin, but… well, I gave up.
BTW: If you look at Garmin’s forums you will find a depressing number of bugs that were left to paying customers to beta test.
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It took them months to catch up.
But - as far as I heard - they delivered a better implementation in the end, which is commendable. It feels to me as if they value software quality more than Garmin.
There are other examples though (currently Strava) where they are also slower than Garmin to adapt.
We have roundabouts near my house and I’m not seeing that behavior. The processing delay after a turn is maybe 1-2 seconds, it’s definitely very quick on my 530.
It’s interesting you say that, especially about the routing. I have used my 830 for many routes at this point and I haven’t had any of these issues. It hasn’t missed a turn, even in a city environment with relatively quick turns (about a city block apart) and hasn’t screwed up a roundabout yet (I usually see 2-3 in a longer ride).
I’m obviously not saying that you didn’t have the issues you’re having but just trying to give another side.
Thats why I said it might be a hardware issue. But it also might need a reset.
I’ve been in the software industry for 30 years. Used a lot of software, pretty good at finding bugs. I wouldn’t put up with this 530 if it had problems like Agglo is describing. Like you mwglow15 my 530 simply works and it works well, just like the 520 before it.
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I know - my routing issues may well be outliers and not typical for the device. Might be related to the map source material in my region. But I can ride the same routes with the Bolt and never have such issues… it is just more reliable (for me).
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My friend never had elevation problems on Garmin, just his Wahoo.
To be honest I’m getting tired of seeing his Strava rides post with ridiculous elevation data, before he requests Strava to fix it.
Your routing and GPS issues are not common. It is either bad hardware, or something that a software reset (and return to default map) would fix.
Sometimes hardware or software has problems. Even Wahoo has problems.
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Coping my post from the Garmin 530 topic because I should have posted it here instead. 
I have way too many bike computers (Wahoo Bolt and Roam, Garmin 520+ and 830) and I have similar views too. Yes Garmin has way more bells and whistles than Wahoo and some of them are useful - for example I use a Garmin when racing because then I can set reminders every 20 mins to eat. But I find for training and general riding the Bolt / Roam is just a much more pleasant experience. I also suspect that due to all the Garmin bells and whistles (aka features) it must be almost impossible for Garmin to fully test all scenarios, meaning a lot more bugs.
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I’ll just add i that I am not a fan of touch screens for this application…especially here in Chicago where long-fingered gloves can be necessary 10 months out of the year, depending how early you ride. I have a lot of gloves that aren’t touchscreen friendly and I don’t want to go out an buy new gloves. Add in rain, sweat, etc. dropping on it and causing screen changes, etc. and I just find it annoying.
That said, for those that like to tinker and customize, the Connect IQ feature is pretty nice. But I am just fine with the standard product, so…
The only issue I ever seem to have with my 530 is after a workout and it tries to upload a ride via BT it says it cannot sync as it is busy. It will go the through via wifi but not bt 
Not sure why I have this problem or how to fix it. I cannot imagine it has anything to do with my F6X being paired to GC at the same time.
And I guess thats where we diverge a little bit - to me they aren’t bells and whistles. I actually want to receive eat/drink reminders on every ride (ignore or follow). And I want to easily track gear usage along with nutrition and hydration. I often show up at a group ride and forgot to turn off flashing rear light - after we leave the parking lot someone usually gives a gentle reminder and I switch from flashing to solid without skipping a pedal stroke. Overall experience includes all that, and more (workout creator, ClimbPro, etc). Props to Wahoo on the buttons and route loading, as others have said Garmin user experience could use an upgrade especially with initial setup. I’ve been in software for 3 decades and understand why Garmin is where they are, its a little frustrating to see the pieces not all put together. Will welcome Garmin improvements (fingers crossed), but overall value Garmin is still on tops for my $$. Competition is good, and I’m not brand loyal.
Bit of an aside but not worth starting a new thread:
On the mapping note, has anyone had good success using the Bolt (not roam) while connected to the phone for navigation? The one thing I really don’t like about my Bolt is what happens if I get off course… Can the app reroute me to the spot, or? I don’t want to go out and test it, ha.
Don’t remember the bolt rerouting at all due when i had one as it does not have that function. Used to upload my rides via ridewithgps to get the course and turns and thats it. Go off course turn around to get back on.
You’re right. I mean to say, I think there’s a way to use the wahoo app Take Me To functionality, but I don’t know if it’s any good. They could MASSIVELY improve the Element if they leveraged the app to do real time turn by turn
It is a good product for what it is but at this point unlikely anything will be done with the roam.
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How do you do that?
Did you happen to get off route while using the app’s navigation? I guess that’s what I’m looking for: I know it won’t reroute normally, but does it while using the phone? I bet not… I’m guessing it just sends the route like you said and then it’s up to you to stay on it.
Program it via di2 by assigning a button to it as long as you have the wireless setup. That is what I do anyway. Copied @bbarrera just in case he has a different setup.
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