As an example, FASCAT has multiple “strength and conditioning” plans. The weightlifting oriented programs provides specific set/rep information.
Am not suggesting the FASCAT programs are good or should be followed or that TR should offer the same plans. Simply showing that a well established player in the preformatted training plan business is offering the types of weight / strength programs being discussed.
To see more about what a competitor is doing, look at the Off Season offerings on their website.
I guess my question is what more do people want? Do they want plan builder to be able to put resistance training blocks in? Obviously you can do it manually but they want AI involved as well?
I’d bet that as TR continues to refine their training they offer more customization. I hope, I wish I could pick a plan with 4 days instead of 3 or 5, among other things.
I think the general frustration with TR plans is that by and large they emphasize threshold / Vo2max training methods and are aligned more toward time crunched. It’s understandable from some perspective.
The frustration some folks seem to have is that TR is a market leader, the team is well liked, and folks want to see them thrive and to grow and to offer more. While TR is focused on ML/AI and all in for that approach, they are leaving gaps by not evolving the plans. On the one hand being all in on one strategy (ML/AI) allows focus. On the other hand, folks familiar with caveats of ML/AI being applied to human health and physiology might suggest hedging one’s bets by offering some of the other things customers want. That’s up to Nate and the TR team.
One of the fascinating things about this is how much folks (users) really like TR. Everyone (more or less) is rooting for success and hoping the team evolves and thrives. Offering constructive criticism and thoughts is a free gift to the team. They can do with it what they choose but knowing what your passionate customers think is always useful to a business.
Such a great comment. I really think this gets lost on the folks who think any critical comment is a “hater”. I LOVE TR. I love my wife. Heck, I love myself. That doesn’t mean we can’t improve or never do anything wrong. The focus of 99.9% of the comments come from a place of caring and wanting to see positive evolution.
One training plan I would love to see is x2 week, perhaps 2 hour sessions each following AI progression and the rest free reign…. Eg choose your own indoor, outdoor rides
This would be perfect. One high-intensity day a week (that scaled with AI and PLs) as an additional would be great, too, for those of us doing a lot of their riding outdoors and want to try some version of polarized training. I’ve been able to get the two-day week working now by dropping a regular “Long Ride” or “Practice Race” C-event on top of the Saturday intensity day, then adding in lots of Zone 2 rides on top.
I get that it could be cleaner and I would assume they will enable us to tailor our plan more like this, but is it not dead simple to do what you are already doing. I don’t even bother deleting the Saturday workout, I just go ride whatever I want and everything is fine. I don’t need TR to provide me the ultimate configurability because it takes less than 5 minutes to make my adjustments on my own.
I think part of the failure of AT to monitor intensity is probably as much on us as it is on them. The solution relies on feedback to decide to progress or not and how much. I think we are mostly a bunch of stubborn hamsters on the wheel that don’t provide the proper feedback to the system to inform the system we need to ease up. If there is a tweak they should make, they should increase the sensitivity of the feedback system so that if you provide a VH or multiple VH in a row, it should ask you whether or not the intensity needs to be dialed back.
IMO, not the same as TR training app. We’re here to ride bikes with supplementary “other” stuff if we please, not the other way around.
Personally, TR does everything I want from it an more. Its immeasurably more advanced than when I started back in 2018 each advance is nothing short of a bonus from what it was previously. I boggle a little when people complain about what its not or what it “should” be.
This. And why they continue to be on the TrainerRoad forum, for so long, just to complain about how poor it is and why x is better. TR is obviously better in one respect, in having the forum!
I find your anecdotal explanation not a comparison at all. It really makes no sense. As well you are making judgements based on your assumption of what my experience is.
I believe I have been using tr for 4 or 5 years. I believe I have a level of knowledge that if TR put out a stretching plan or a strength plan that I would be able to figure it out and make it work for me. I have lifted weights in the past and nothing has killed me. I do not need “optimal” all I need is “possible”. I could probably put my own plan together by going through a few hundred podcasts and videos! My point is why should I??? The TR team has more than enough experience. They do their own strength training and stretching and everything else. I cant think of one good reason not to share it with their “athletes”.
I dont have anger towards you. I was civil and respectful. I pointed out that your anecdotal story was pointless and not a great comparison of my point. Did Alex charge his wife monthly for tt setup advice? I have the experience to lift a weight or do a stretch. If TR offers a plan its my choice on how I implement it.
your example has as much to do with my point as the Thor Love and Thunder commercial has to do with yours.
I disagree with you. You choose to take that as anger or not civil or lack of respect then that’s on you.
The internet is already full of all the cycle training information you could ever possibly need. Takes 2 seconds to find something appropriate with your own experience, kit levels and goals in mind.
If your approach to strength training is 2 seconds and pick first search result , why not the same approach to your cycle training? Why does one warrant an app but not the other?
I long wonder about this. You tried (or maybe didn’t) a product, found it wasn’t for you, gave feedback, but are compelled to stay very active in the forum.
It isn’t unique to TR either. There are a few people on a car forum I visit that have literally 1000s of posts bad-mouthing on countless threads long after they either never-bought the car, sold it, and/or swear they would never buy the car again.
Best I figure it is either wanting to warn people about the deficiencies/evils of a product, by which perhaps there is a sense of vindication in their decision, or they are hoping/waiting for the feature change that will make them re-consider the product
I was talking to the other guy but I think I messed up the “respond” part
