Doesn't feel worth the effort?

It never occurred to me to interpret “set” to simply mean more than one of the interval…blocks? :thinking:

I have always interpreted “set of intervals” to be more akin to “interval set”. So each of these workouts, Geiger and Baird have 3 “sets” of intervals. Similar to tennis where a set is made up of multiple games.

So in the Geiger example a set would include 1 x 12 (which itself is a set of rolling hill intervals)

With Baird a “set” would be 1 x5 (a set of 5 sprints with rest intervals)

Can TR clarify this for us? This clarification could change a lot of people’s actual training! @Caro.Gomez-Villafane

unless of course I have completely misunderstood you @pcornell

jforsythperson - yes, we have the same understanding.

ah interesting.

So when you mark Geiger as Hard would I be correct in interpreting that to mean that you are saying that you could do another 24min of hard work?

If I marked Geiger as Hard I would be saying I could do another 12min of hard work.

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well, since I’m used to the “Chad Chart”, then it is as my first post. So a Geiger “hard” for me would be another 1 x 12. Baird “hard” another 1 x 5 x 1.

I mean what if you used the TR scale?

This is the thread I was referring to

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To be honest, it’s all gotten pretty confusing between the two charts now. I found the “Chad Chart” to be pretty simple, as I described it, but then I may have even misinterpreted that one. And the “TR Chart” similarly don’t really understand it fully.

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which one of these seems correct to you, blue or green?

Based on your previous description I understood you to mean you use the green interpretation but yeah, things have gotten confusing! :laughing:

Green, with a small pinch of terminology mixup, apparently.

I use the blue.
Well this definitely needs clarification then because each of us rating “Hard” would mean entirely different things. If I’m right then you are significantly more fit than the AI thinks you are. If you’re right, then I’m worse off! :laughing:

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Here is where I’m getting my interpretation from. This is the description of the workout profile I used in the graphic:

“Karakoram +2 consists of 4 sets of short efforts lasting between 1-4 minutes at 85-115% FTP with very short, 30-second recoveries between intervals.”

The word “sets” seems to indicate “group of shorter intervals” rather than how I think you would have it meaning “more than one” group of intervals.

I agree with you that it’s the blue, but where I’m confused is that the new scores imply there is zero differentiator in being able to do one or two more intervals now. You can either do the entire set, which is a lot of additional work, or it’s VH. I’m trusting TR and using the new version of the ratings though.

got it, ok. Sorry, I thought you just said “Green” back there.

Ya I agree, it seems like a wide gap between “another whole set” and not. It also very much depends on the workout. Some sets are really long and others not so much. But then I’d suppose the AI takes that into account too.

Who knows! :man_shrugging:t2: perhaps the AI doesn’t even know

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I’m with you (but fyi I’m not the same guy as above)

oh haha! sorry about that :person_facepalming:t2: moving too fast this morning

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Has it though? I just rate how I felt. :star_struck:

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I stopped paying attention a while ago. My AI FTP prediction changes like the wind. I do all of the all workouts. Nothing changes from day to day. It’s in Beta. I guess it’s just gonna take TR a little longer to figure out.

Honestly, I laughed when I first saw the 12w (4%) prediction increase. It lasted a day then went down to 2w. Now it’s back up to 5w

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So your Threshold 2.4 workout for 1:15 has a TSS of 114.

What was the planned TSS? I’m guessing like 90? That’s what I’m finding in the workout lists for 2-3 level threshold workouts at that length of time.

I think you went well above the prescribed workout in TR (and then rated it Hard), which is why the AI is decreasing your FTP.

I was only over by 10 tss, I’m not really sure where it came from. I have changed my RPE to moderate as I now understand that I have been using hard instead of moderate, in future I will hopefully be putting the correct RPE.

Mixed threshold intervals have a lower level than other threshold workouts :slight_smile:

Try switching an upcoming mixed intervals workout to an interval threshold workout in your calender.

Workout level of the new workout should be higher :slight_smile: