Depends on how much wax you are getting in your diet from other sources
A dedicated crockpot (at least the inner stoneware) means you leave your wax in. But unless you have a crock pot for fondue, a regular cooking crockpot is likely to be too large (requiring too much wax to cover a wider bottom surface) anyway.
Real world says yes.
Real world is conning itself if JUST based on lube. Clean vs dirty drivechain I agree. Well set up, clean drivechain with lube a vs lube b…nope
Sorry no.
I have successfully tried it and many others have too. If you don’t want to try it then don’t. But please don’t assume something isn’t better because your calculations suggest that it isn’t.
Empirical evidence counts for more. There is a reason why Wiggin’s team spent thousands of dollars researching and developing the best wax chain for the hour record.
I think you will find that it worked.
Not my calculations, calculations of friction facts who seem to be the go to people for this sort if thing…and the reason why many people seem to use wax chains.
As I said, for cleanliness yes, go for it. And if you think it helps then great…but the data doesn’t back it up in any lab test evidence I’ve ever come across (more than 1-2w).
And not sure if Wiggins hour record was down to the wax lube! ![]()
Anyway I’ve said my bit so will let it rest now.
Ok, but as I said, empirical evidence is what I go on.
It works for me.
Wiggins didn’t do this for nothing:
https://rouleur.cc/editorial/bradley-wiggins-hour-record-chain-muc-off/
If you really want to get your teeth into what miay have been possible here’s another related article:
Yep. Give that podcast a listen. Lots of discussion about this in the podcast. Modelling it, etc.
It all came down to 8 seconds. What would have made Fignon 8 seconds faster during the TT? Cutting off the pony tail…or so they speculate. What would have made Lemond 8 seconds slower? Sticking a pencil on top of his helmet (presumabley orthoganal to his direction of travel!)
Truly a razor’s edge.
Let people do whatever they want.
Check out research on zerofrictioncycling.com.au
Just looked all over their website and lacking Any data except same frictionfact graphs above showing 1-2w saving.
They claim that their chains can save 2-6w … but that is based on new premium chain vs part worn basic chain when read details rather than due to lube.
Maybe I missed something?
@ZeroGravity I bought some off Amazon. Two suppliers…first the affordable option:
Marzon X-55 PTFE Powder…like a pound for $15. Not bad but larger particle size than might be optimal in my opinion. Although if your purpose is to brush the PTFE on a fresh-out-of-the-pot waxed chain this stuff is great!
Here is the PTFE that is more expensive but mixes in the wax MUCH better:
Runaway Bike PTFE Powder (Teflon), 1.5 oz…it’s about 15x more expensive but it’s a very fine powder & quite honestly, 16 ounces of PTFE for purposes of waxing your chain is more than a life time supply.
Either way, ~$15 for a LOT of chain waxes worth of PTFE.
This what I got. It could be salt for all I know, but in my head it makes the chain quieter and faster. At $9 Cdn for 100g I will have enough for a long long time. 50g 1 76 oz Ultra Fine Ultrafine 1 6 Micron Teflon PTFE Powder Lab Chemicals: Search Result | eBay
It looks like Marzon X-55 isn’t available any more (or at least right now?), but digging in a bit I did find this:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07JRGVVY8/
Very fine PTFE, but in a plastic baggie that you’d need to transfer to a more permanent container.
That said, looking at the charts for the difference between straight paraffin and anything more complicated, I’m not sure that the extra fraction of a watt is worth any extra effort to procure or mix anything into the wax bath.
Good idea. PTFE powder can be messy. I don’t have any good ideas re: how to handle it easily so if anybody has any suggestions please advise. That stuff gets all over everything and if you breath on it the wrong way it goes POOF! ![]()
take your bike outside and spin the crank a handful of times that will take care of the bulk of it.
I am getting the same thing. Just waxed last night and had a wet ride this morning. The chain is showing some rust spots already. Any concern?
Wet rides require some maintenance. I have lost a chain after I forgot about it riding in snow/salt one day when I forgot to dry and rewax.
Started using Wend Wax around the 1st of the year. I live in Colorado and use it on my road, mtb and gravel bike. Really happy with how well it does it all weather conditions. I went with their hot wax option and haven’t looked back. https://wendperformance.com/buy-online/bike