Bike accident, how to move forward

What do you recommend doing after having a collision with a motor vehicle?

  1. take care of self - ER / PCP / PT / ortho / dentist / concussion specialist
  2. take bike to shop for damage assessment
  3. obtain copy of police report / video of accident
  4. talk to local bike advocacy group (document location of accident / process)
  5. talk to an attorney
  6. time off of work as needed

EDIT:

I removed a bunch of details since the main intent of the post is to understand how best to move forward from the standpoint of a health, emotional, and mental well-being. I don’t yet understand the financial or legal impact.

My guy, this is a list of almost every single concussion red flag. Please go see a doctor ASAP.

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Ok, neither any of the ER doctors or my PCP mentioned about seeing a concussion specialist. But, yeah, my head went into the side of the car.

Just my .02, but see a doc for the concussion assessment and follow up with your dentist on the teeth.

The sounds in your mouth doesn’t sound right, and if I were you I’d want full dental xrays and an assessment by a dentist.

Getting hit sucks - been there, done that. Take your time to heal up and get thee to a concussion doctor & dentist.

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  1. If you trust the shop and they check everything and tell me it’s good, I’d be fine riding it. The biggest issue is the structural integrity of the frame, fork and headset. The components are easily repaired or replaced. Carbon? Not so much.
  2. Your training right now is recovery. Go to PT and/or start training based on the recommendation of a medical doctor.
  3. See a concussion specialist, without question. I am not overstating it to say it could be life or death.
  4. It can’t hurt to contact a lawyer. I wouldn’t expect big things, and the most likely outcome if you have evidence and a strong case is an insurance settlement.
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Firstly I’m glad you are still here!

Talk to your lbs.

My last Titanium bike was hit when it was brand new, luckily the offside lawyers lip and the front wheel which was ripped out of the frame, folded in two with force and ended up a distance away took the impact. I actually rode it home with a borrowed front wheel the next day and after talking to the LBS and having them inspect it I done another 40,000miles on the bike.

Cover yourself medically and legally. The bike is probably dead as you might have microcracks in the carbon.

You’ll need a lawyer to maker sure that you can get a new bike and medical bills paid. If you don’t get one then i wouldn’t be totally surprised if you managed to end up unlucky with a car repair bill and the driver claiming all sorts of nonsense about it being your fault.
I’ve been hit by a car before, only knocked out for a second, and had 2 broken ribs. I had witnesses and camera evidence and insurance, but it still took a few months to get sorted. It ruined my whole summer and shook me up for even longer. I totally get what you say about riding along blissfully unaware that someone might be stupid enough to drive into you. Happier times for sure. Walking is good - It’s mellow and gives your mind time to let it wash out the stresses.

Good luck

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Thanks for all the replies.

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If your lbs checks it out and OKs them I’d have no qualms about the parts.

I think my lawyer, sent me once to talk to a local lawyer to get my story and compile a medical assessment and that was it other than emails. I think they were simple, the other side denied it happened, the witnesses and police report/ ambulance said other wise and once I had the medical it was paid out over night.

On the concussion thing - i didn’t bother. I figured that i whacked my head against the side of a car at 26mph so… But if a specialist said that Yes i did have concussion vs No, then what was i going to do differently. Probably nothing.

Get your arse covered legally though. They will take all the legal stress for you and make sure you don’t get any nasty surprises. And you should get a new bike out of it and a little bit of cash to make up for the bruises. I am in the UK so it’s probably different but i got a replacement bike and about 2 weeks’ wages equivalent. Bugger all but better than nothing. I’d still rather it never happened though.

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Hire an attorney, not next week, today! Redact much of this post, reduce it to “what should I do post car v bike accident.”

Start a PIP (personal injury policy) claim with your auto insurance. This will cover up to $20k in medical, this depends on state I believe, but is very common.

Document everything!!! Time off bike etc.

Work with specialists in each medical field that you need help in, dental, mental and orthopedic needs.

Do not talk to anyone besides your attorney. If someone from either your or their insurance calls you, ask them what they are looking for, then say you will call them back after speaking with your legal counsel.

You may not be seeking tort damages from the driver, but you may stack up more bills than you could believe. You should be compensated from lost work etc.

Signed-

Ran into a truck that ran a red light 9 years ago, had a massive knee reconstruction, didn’t ride competitively for 5 years afterwards, hired an attorney and it was the smartest thing I did in the whole process.

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your PCP was either having a bad day or time to switch. another possibility - just throwing it out there…maybe have someone go with you? maybe you didn’t fully explain your symptoms or didn’t fully understand what was told to you.

not accusing anyone but you 1,000,000% have a concussion. yes going to a specialist for this is very likely to be a waste of time. most likely time will heal this. but they will be able to examine you and they might find something actionable. or at least measure your current status and then again in a few weeks and make sure you’re progressing.

your brain isn’t anything to procrastinate on / dawdle on. i’d just call the PCP and ask for an immediate referral. just tell them “I re-ran our convo in my head and I think I didn’t convey to you xyz symptoms with my brain and I want to get it checked ASAP”.

good luck healing.

btw go for it with lawyers etc. but when you go to a lawyer they are gonna recommend a doctor. the doctor they recommend is someone they do business with - not necessarily the best doc. hope you can read between the lines here in your doctor decisions.

good luck with everything.

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Like others, I’ve been hit too and sustained a fair amount of both property damage and personal injury. I was riding on the shoulder of the road and was hit from behind by a car who drifted over the fog line. My perspective may be a little different though. The state police did respond to my accident scene along with the ambulance, which came from about 20 miles away. I regained consciousness as they were loading me into the ambulance. No permanent damage, but ended up in the hospital overnight with some brain swelling and small bleed between the brain and skull, medium size lacerations, and some cracked ribs. I had several very miserable days and couldn’t drive for a week due to seizure concerns from the neurologist. I got a copy of the police report in the mail about 2-weeks after the crash. With that, filed an accident report with the driver’s insurance. In my case, the insurance company never disputed liability, but I couldn’t tell from the report if the driver received a citation.

I’d trust the judgement & assessment of my LBS with respect to the rideability of the bike, especially if they sell that brand. My experience was that my shop principal mechanic sent me a letter by e-mail listing the damage to the bike including a statement that it should be considered a total loss and included an estimate for a replacement. I put together an itemized list of all my property damage and estimated replacement costs. The list was supported by photos and a quote or some sort of basis for the replacement cost. In addition to the bike, I had damaged helmet, kit, shoes, sun glasses, lost bidon, phone, aftermarket PM and wheels. I sent this to the insurance company about a month after the accident, clearly stating that it was a claim for property damage only and I wasn’t prepared to talk about injuries until I knew the full extent. They responded within a few days and settled for almost the full amount. I was expecting a long process and negotiations over depreciated values, but that never happened. The only thing they disputed was the fair replacement cost of my cell phone.

I didn’t try and settle the PI claim for about a year, but I took that same approach. I listed all my direct costs and came up with a value. The tough part was valuing the pain, suffering, and disruption to normal activity and altered short term plans you normally enjoy. That stuff is real, and it has a value, but coming up with a fair price is difficult for people who aren’t in that line of work. In my case, I came up with what I thought was a fair settlement ask……direct bills + time away from work + pain / suffering / lack of enjoyment. I sent that into the insurance claims guy. I got a response back a few days later acknowledging the direct part of my ask, but saying they value the in-direct side differently and offering me $6k more than my ask. My total claim, between PI and property loss was in the $45k range.

Should I have signed with a lawyer? I don’t think so. I didn’t want to win the lottery. I just wanted to be treated fairly. In my case, I felt 100% fully compensated and treated right. The PI lawyers in my area operate on a 33% contingency. They don’t cost you anything up front, but they have to increase the amount of your settlement by 50% to cover their share. Who knows……maybe that would have happened in my case, but I don’t really care because I felt I was treated fairly.

Also, keep in mind that if you have healthcare costs covered by your health insurance company, your insurance company probably has superior rights to yours for any PI recovery you obtain, so you’ll have to reimburse them as part of the settlement. Another factor is that I live in Texas, a fault allocation state. If liability had been contested or I was partially liable, I probably would have signed with a lawyer.

My perspective was that most of the claims guys you deal with want things to be easy for them. If you present a clear, easy to follow claim with a basis for what you’re asking and supporting details, you make it very easy for them to sign off on the amounts. I know that’s not always true, but it was in my case.

I other perspective is I have a lot of confidence in the health care providers I see. If I didn’t trust them, I wouldn’t see them. Once they’ve evaluated me in person, I wouldn’t second guess their assessment based on internet advice, especially if I’ve gotten similar advice from both an ER physician and my PCP. My experience has been ER staff in our area see concussions on a daily basis and know what ehy’re doing.

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Take the time off work more than needed. Remember your training goal is to let your body do the healing it needs. Push for the resources you need, I saw a trauma doctor, orthopedic surgeon, went to vestibular physical therapy in addition to regular physical therapy. I will say most of these were pushes from the great physical therapist I worked with last year to resolve a different issue.

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Do not send a letter of demand until you are “healthy” and fully understand the long term consequences if your injuries though. Up until I had finished PT and had final clearance from my surgeon, settled into my “new normal” and figured out what I was now capable of, then we went and asked for money. Our initial ask was $100k, or policy limits, defendant rejected that, so we prepared to go to trial. In the process of preparing to go to court, the defendant had me see their own specialist. Within 72 hours of that consult, they came back asking if I was still interested in settling, asked for $250k (3x of med bills, fairly standard in large PI cases) and they accepted on the spot…

I had close to $80,000 in medical bills, because I hired an attorney to represent me against the defendants insurance (which happened to be my insurance as well), I never forewent any recommended treatment, PT 3 times a week for 2 months then less and less. I did everything in my power to return to my normal self prior to injury.

The responding officer’s police report stated that we both claimed to have a green light and the other driver didn’t see me. Luckily someone called the police station as witness that they had been stopped behind the defendant at a red light, when he proceeded and I ran into the side of him at nearly 30mph.

My injuries were:

Posterolateral corner (grade 3) - This includes LCL, ACL and popliteus

Fractured proximal fibular head - had to wait for this to heal prior to surger

Ulnar Styloid fracture

Siezed AC joint - released with at home PT over the course of a week.

The ER I went to massively under diagnosed my knee injury. Until I had an ortho consult and an MRI did we know how bad my knee truly was.

Hiring a Personal Injury Lawyer will start with a consult, “is this case winable?”

If they take your case, they operate on a 33% contingency, they take 1/3 of the settlement, plus all expenses. I paid for a traffic accident reconstructionist, second DR consult, PI and 3D digital injury reconstruction. They will also negotiate any subrogation liens, if you receive money in a settlement, your health insurance is entitled to recoup some of the money they have paid. My attorney got that reduced by 25%.

The real value in hiring the attorney was not having to deal with health insurance, auto insurance, the police etc. Any and every phone call was directed to my representation, and left there, all I had to focus on was getting healthy again.

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Did you have to direct the phone calls or were they directed automatically, just as a policy, call x.y.z.

So, at the end of the day, you’re only really bothered by your attorney, PT, doctors, etc. Lastly, if your settlement is 250k, you’re likely to end up with at best 125k or something like that? Lastly, this is a long process, it is not something that will be resolved overnight.

So, see PT through to the end until the PT says I’m 100%, then that will be documented as the final ‘expense’. Sum all expenses, then that would be essentially the baseline figured to claim?

Everyone is going to try and contact you directly, you have to tell them, please contact XYZ at XYZ law firm. There were precious few calls that I answered straight away, one was my insurance company demanding they take possession of my bike after paying out on it, to which I said it will be retained for evidence or fact finding if that comes about. 9 years later, it is still hanging in my garage. Everything else was, please consult with my attorney.

I don’t remember the exact value of the check I got, but it was less than half the settlement amount. 1/3 to attorneys, 10 or 15% went to various expert witness type stuff and 10% went to my insurance company for subrogation. It paid off my wife and I’s education and one vehicle and one really nice Parlee Rz7.

WRT cost, yes, until every DR/Specialist/PT has signed off saying this is the end of your care for the acute phase of injury, add it all up and that is the baseline for the ask. Some might ask for a 1 year follow up.

Be diligent on documenting everything, start your file folder now. DO NOT MISS SUBMITTING ANY POLICE REPORTS/ACCIDENT REPORTS ETC.

My case was heading to federal court, and I think they settled because the defendant was pretty unreliable wrt documentation, telling the same story twice etc.

Next, once you see how all this plays out, get a large umbrella policy to protect yourself if something should happen and you are on the other side of the table.

I’m in the UK too… did you already have legal cover when your accident/crash happened? Or did you arrange it afterwards? I’ve only had one crash and that was caused by uneven tarmac on a country lane so nobody to blame.

Are you a member if BC, they have it in the membership.

Some additional questions I had were:

  1. how soon would you start PT at home, with whatever exercises you can do on your own prior to seeing your doctor to get a PT referral? This could be anything such as going for a walk, balance exercises, calf raises, etc. Anything that might be within my present abilities without risking further injury to myself
  2. how soon would you get back on the bike if you’re not 100%? Would this change if you’re pursuing legal action? Additionally, how has it impacted your riding / where you ride / what time of day you ride / etc.?
  3. how soon would you drive after your doctor clears you to drive?
  4. what was the biggest challenge you faced after this event? Social pressure, mental, emotional, work, etc?