AT: Easy vs Moderate vs Hard vs ... [Pass / Success Survey Responses]

These seem to align well with my prior comments. I may have to consider the relationship between Moderate and Hard, in light of the supplemental comments on the possibility of more intervals or ride extension. But this still makes sense on a broad level to me.

I thinned the text down a bit for quick reference, as well as standardizing the “I vs You” approach too.

I also “struck out” the prior comments in my doc that were shared by TR support on an individual level, and consider that all to be null and void at this time.

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Thanks

How would AT distinguish between a workout that is Hard or Very Hard because you are potentially reaching your current PL limits and the scenario where you are fatigued from external factors?

For example, when i have done a week of training and added an extra day for a fast outdoor group ride to my MV plan, the Achievable Sunday SS workout can feel a lot harder than it should. Once i have a rest day on Monday then i am back on song again. An honest survey response of Hard might trigger an unintended change to ramp rate of SS workouts, where in reality that is not the problem.

Cool! We weren’t sure if that extra context was totally necessary for the article, good to know! Thanks for the feedback.

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Speaking as an info hungry type-A person (like so many on here)… I think it’s safe to say that “more is always better” when it comes to info :stuck_out_tongue:

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Thanks. I was just thinking it’s more likely I’ll use that page as a reference rather than finding this forum post again. But I’ve since decided to print it out and keep it on my training desk!

I think those guidelines basically align with that I’ve been doing anyway, but it’s nice to have a handy reference to help keep my responses consistent.

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Which leads to my next suggestion (feature request), that some form of these notes find their way directly into the survey response itself.

I have more than a few “cheat sheets” of info like this, but nothing beats having it directly shown (or indirectly accessible via things like tool tips) right on the actual survey where we could benefit from that info.

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thanks @IvyAudrain and the TR team.

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The extra comments are very helpful…Thanks

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Super individualized based upon that full scope of your prior training and Progression Levels, the plan you’re on along with timeline of events, the ‘Achievable Sunday SS workout’ you add beforehand, and the workouts that follow.

Please put the parenthetical stuff into another column!

Requested this to the team!!! Help I’m just the messenger HELP. :rofl:

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You are the consummate diplomat, always shuttling forum feedback to the team. Big thank you!

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First let me preface by saying so far I’ve had no issues with the survey options or AT.

but…

How about simplifying response options: 1) Too Easy 2) About Right 3) Too Hard

Those answers would require you to have some preexisting idea of how the workout “should” feel to compare against, which is the opposite of what we’re after. The goal of the 1-5 system is to allow you to simply, quickly, and honestly answer a basic question of how the workout felt— independent of any expectation or intended outcome. It’s intentionally subjective and open-ended.

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I agree, it was a little tongue in cheek.

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But I typically do have a preexisting idea of how these workouts should feel. If I view it as too hard I do an alternate version that is lower. If it is too easy I increase it via alternates. I definitely do not do a workout that I don’t think I can complete.

I have been only using a 3 choice response of 1 2 or 3. No idea if this messes up anything…

Thanks Ivy. This provides clarity on the ratings. I am curious how this will play out with progressions which was the reason I reached out to Customer Service in the first place.

For example, today before this was posted, I was scheduled to do Wild Snow (VO2 5.5). I felt like pushing a bit, so I chose an alternative Mills +3 (5.8). I completed fine and rated as moderate (based on previous customer service advice). Going on the new standard - I probably would have rated as “hard” - had to focus but could have done another interval or 2.

However, the adaptation advice was “no change” it kept my Monday VO2 workout Haw Knob (6.0) (makes sense) and Thursday Mount Deborah +1 (5.8) (kind of surprised after rating Mills +3 as “moderate”). I don’t know for sure, but I have a feeling that if I had rated it as “hard” it would have dropped one of those. I may be wrong, but this was the problem I experienced a few weeks ago.

Regardless, thanks for the clarification, and I will adjust my ratings accordingly.

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I like the 1-5 rating system, and Ivy’s clarifications make it easier to apply.

The only issue I have based on my experience, it seems that the rating has a significant impact on adaptation suggestions. Based on how you describe the purpose, it should impact progressions as a supporting factor over time but not from workout to workout. Otherwise, it encourages me to try to pick based on what I want the adaptations to be. If a workout seems “very hard” on a given day but completed as prescribed, it doesn’t follow that it should lower workouts for the next week or two.

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Those bits in parentheses should be added in bold, as it makes the subjective evaluation much much more practical, specific and objective.

In fact, I would suggest to replace the “easy”, “moderate” etc. labels in the feedback buttons with these texts.

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REALLY helpful clarification. Thank you.