I’m nowhere near 5w/kg, more like 3.6w/kg so perhaps that’s why calorie usage maps better for me. Now if it could just be consistent on my recovery score I might start trusting it…
This is spot on. I’m 71kg and FTP 355w. Short, harder efforts are typically a bit off but a 3-4hr tempo ride at ~280w is off by nearly 40-50%…
When my threshold was 40-50w lower it was less noticeable of a gap.
I recognize this is a nice problem to have and don’t expect them to tailor their HR/cal calculations to my needs.
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Is it possible to test your hrv or get a recovery score fpr that matter at any given time?
It would kind of disappoiting if i could only get a hrv score when i wake up in the morning.
Has anyone with a Whoop compared the whoop stress number to the stress widget on a Fenx5/6?
I’ve been on the fence with getting a Whoop because of the subscription cost, potentially wearing 2 devices (I XC ski, hike, etc and currently use a Garmin Fenix 3 to track these activities)
I find the sleep tracking with the Fenix 3 not too accurate, it overestimates my sleep.
I also use Garmin RHR to track recovery, potential illness. Contemplating the Whoop for the sleep metrics and recovery as an upgrade to the Garmin metrics.
My hope is that Garmin would up the game on stress and sleep metrics, which seems they haven’t.
Anyone go through the same process comparing the garmin Fenix 5/6 to the Whoop that now owns one?
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Been following this one for a while as I’m interested in Whoop stats but not interested in wearing both Apple Watch and Whoops, also not sure I want to give up the AW.
Has anyone been able to find an Apple Watch or iPhone app to track recovery that doesn’t require user intervention? Scanning your pulse when you wake up, using the Breathe app, etc…
I keep an eye on RHR and HRV in Apple Health but a Whoop type app that works with AW would be nice.
Check out the AutoSleep app. You don’t have to do anything other than wear your watch while you sleep.
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Yep. AutoSleep on the AW is awesome. I was really interested in Whoop… but not digging the subscription cost or the general complexity of another device. If it could replace my Apple Watch… ok. But it’s a way off that and the economics don’t work for this mamil.
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So my understanding of the AW is it measures HRV multipe times per day. Whoop only displays a score from the last 5 mins of deep sleep per night so you only get one figure per day. If I compare my HRV graph of a week on AW it is in general similar to Whoop. By this I mean days when Whoop has a higher HRV AW reflects this - the numbers may be different and the jumps in general less. This alone has done enough to show me that I don’t need to continue my subscription after my initial 12 month period. It’s been interesting but not worth the ongoing subscription costs in my opinion.
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Just completed my first night of sleep with AutoSleep, you get some pretty nice data. Might work well for me as my wife had an old Apple Watch sitting around that we weren’t using so it can be my sleep device.
If I’m understanding, to get the readiness score, you still do need to do at least a one minute Breathe session before you get out of bed. Not a huge deal, especially if you snooze once after the alarm rings, but still a small manual intervention.
I used to have to do that, but for the past several months it seems to work fine without it. This app is the reason I took off my Whoop.
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Very nice, will skip the one minute Breathe tomorrow morning and see what we get.
Thanks for the tips.
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Interesting, found these instructions in the app today:
Looks like HRV and Readiness work without using Breathe but is more accurate if you do use it.
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Here’s a little more detail from the AutoSleep 6.3 release notes.
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Very nice, will stick with this for a while and hopefully fulfill my desire to monitor readiness and HRV that would have been done via Whoop.
Thanks again for pointing this out.
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Was there an extra deep sleep cycle in the addition?
Whoop looks at your last deep sleep cycle and pulls your HR and HRV from that one. It does so every day as to be consistent in terms of timing so things can be compared day to day.
Whilst I still have my whoop I thought I’d give AutoSleep a go and compare how the two products report both sleep and HRV.
Very early days as I’ve only recorded 2 nights sleep and I appreciate it says HRV accuracy increases as the Breathe app is used upon waking so I’ve little to say on this right now but sleep stats are interesting.
I like that AutoSleep gives you options in he morning of which scenario more accurately reflects how you felt sleep went. For example, the default on my first nights sleep didn’t pick up that I’d got up to go to the toilet but there was a scenario that showed this, but the ed of sleep waking time didn’t quite seem right. You can manually adjust this and it feels like this will be critical to getting the best from the app. The Whoop was much more of a wear and forget and sleep tracking has been one of its strengths.
The breakdown of sleep seems measured differently as well. AutoSleep records as Deep, Still, Light and Awake time. Whoop calls these SWS (Deep), REM, Light and Awake.
Last nights Whoop record:
8:43 Hours of Sleep
9:05 All Stages
0:22 Awake
4:33 Light
3.05 REM
1:05 SWS (Deep)
Compare this to AutoSleep:
0:14 Awake/Disrupted
6:45 Light Sleep
0:15 Still/Restful
1:30 Deep Sleep
AutoSleep also reported it took 24 minutes to get to sleep.
If Still/Restful is meant to compare to REM then figures are way off, but I’m interested to dig further into how stats compare and as yet I haven’t done much reading into the AutoSleep app and how it breaks down each phase.
As for HRV, like I said it’s potentially unfair to compare just yet but AutoSleep said my HRV dropped from 92ms to 76ms. Whoop said it rose from 46 to 63.
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Overpriced and inaccurate, what a combo!
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Your eyes cross over reading the details from Ray’s review of this thing, good grief that dude is thorough.
This last paragraph though;
“So, unfortunately, at this point, despite really liking the promise of the platform and the app itself, I just can’t justify spending $30/month anymore for a service that’s foundations are based on inaccurate data, has no knowledge of my training goals, and doesn’t provide me with guidance other than telling me to sleep 11 hours a night…every night”
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Ray’s review was exactly what I expected and just confirms my opinion on WHOOP.
It’s a great tool for someone that has a heavy training load on top of heavy everyday stress and wants a global picture to help manage the two. It won’t however satisfy the data nerd that thinks that the information is somehow going to optimize or improve their fitness in some way that they haven’t been able to already. The answer for most of these people, if I’m being 100% honest, is if you want to get faster, you probably have to train more and more consistently.
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