For Apple Watch wearers out there, has anyone tried Training Today? I’ve been using it for about a week and it seems to correlate pretty well.
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I have not but i’m going to give it a whirl.
Thanks, I’ll try that whilst I still have whoop to compare against. My one concern is I regularly see Strava or Wahoo data imported to Apple Health but without HR data which I assume will skew this app? Never got to bottom of why some days a hr graph exists and other days it will say not enough data points exist despite the original file having a full hr graph.
Been reading and listening to the Whoop podcasts and find many professional athletes and non professional athletes using it. Wondering if many TR athletes use it and find the information helpful with their training. Would appreciate your input. Thanks.
There are 423 posts above talking about our Whoop experiences. Do you have any specific questions?
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For clarity, he made a separate post, and I chose to merge it here. So he may not have had a chance to review the lengthy post yet.
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Is the Whoop data accurate and helpful?
Garmin Fenix 6 does some of this also and just wondering if it is any better. Don’t want to wear two wrist based devices at same time. Thanks.
According to DC Rainmaker, the most recent Whoop strap is not accurate. So he’s said that he likes what Whoop is doing but with bad data, it cannot function as intended.
I’d suggest starting with the HRV4training app. This app allows you to see how your Heart Rate Variability is tracking over time to better gauge when you should train hard or if you should rest. Best of all, you can use either your phone’s camera or your bluetooth strap to do the tests.
If not, I’d suggest going with the Garmin body battery since it functions the same as Whoop. From DC Rainmaker, the data presentation of Garmin’s isn’t as good when compared to Whoop
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I’ve used it for 6 months now. I won’t be renewing unfortunately. It was interesting to use, it helped me understand how much sleep I need, but I am not a pro with all day/week to train, I have certain days where I have to train so i could not use the HRV to dictate what days I do what training. Any time I rode my bike, it told me i was in the top 2% of hardest days ever even if it was just a zone 2 ride. I think as long as I can consistently get my 8.5-9Hrs sleep a night, I do not need a whoop, some days it just gave me an excuse to not do hard training because recovery wasn’t green.
I think you can learn everything you need to know about how much rest you need from 3 months of use, shame you’re locked into this shitty subscription model. It’s also expensive as hell.
The biggest benefit I found was that i could use it as my HRM in place of a chest strap which was nice because who actually likes wearing a heart rate strap lol.
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If you scroll to the top and click the search button, then select “search this topic”, you can search on the word Fenix. That should help you find other Fenix users.
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Wondering how people feel about having location services constantly tracked. For Android, this cannot be disabled for the strap to connect. I confirmed with support@whoop that your location is indeed being tracked at all times, and the data is not under your control - used for research and marketing but you don’t find that out unless you ask, otherwise it is only for BLE. For $30/month, I’d hope to be excluded if at all possible.
Data mining for athletes is, understandably, a polarizing topic, but I don’t appreciate having no control over it. Do I mind if Google Maps tracks my location? Yes, but the benefits outweigh the risks, location is central to it’s function, so I’m OK with it. My location has absolutely nothing to do with Whoop’s primary function, and the fact that they are charging a premium and then piggy-backing more data harvesting on top of it is unacceptable IMHO.
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The main problem with this is that WHOOP is the accuracy of the optical heart rate sensor on the WHOOPS. Look at DC Rainmakers site and his data says that it is not accurate therefore it is useful as very expensive sleep tracker only until they can sort out the accuracy issue.
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Is anyone a mechanic or machinist with a whoop? Im guessing it can’t stand up to the abuse of work, and if you took it off it’d not be accurate.
Anyone had an connectivity issues since the recent firmware update (Firmware 9.2.3.0)? I’ve had a bunch of issues since mine updated including my iPad dropping it during TR workouts as well as connectivity issues with my Garmin 830 and 1030 outside. Prior to the update it was working fine.
I sent my device log to Whoop via the app about 5 days ago but haven’t heard back yet.
I’m neither but living on a farm it holds up fine to plenty of rough physical labor including daily chores, wood cutting/splitting/stacking/hauling, stone work, wrenching on my truck/tractor, and construction work with manual and power tools.
The strap is tough and the exposed top latch is metal. I’ve popped it off and bent it back to shape a few times. Not as pretty as it used to be but still works the same.
In the shop I’d say it’s fine for any task you’d be comfortable wearing a watch for. I’d only take it off in an instance where anything on your wrist is a serious safety issue. Ive only removed it a handful of times when I needed to reach into a space that I couldn’t with it on.
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I was thinking of getting one of these, but sounds like Dylan Johnson and DC rainmaker both weren’t a fan.
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Both DCRainmaker and Dylan highlighted different reasons to question the value:
- DCR saw real problems with the HR tracking, which means any ‘strain’ measurements throughout the day are suspect
- Dylan was looking more at whether HRV was the killer feature. Having tracked HRV for a while with an Oura ring, I have to agree with Dylan’s take. It’s interesting to look at, but for instance it was back to normal 2 days after a 30 hour everesting, but I wasn’t ready to go hard at all. I think it is still not clear how to exactly use the HRV to adjust training, and this is not helped by every company having their ‘secret’ “readyness” formula that you don’t really know what it is doing.
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HRV is interesting but it doesnt seem to really tell me something I don’t know
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Okay i’ve been using the Whoop now since February and while there’s a lot to like about it, i don’t believe I will continue.
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First, the HRV data has been useful as an objective measure, but it’s only useful taken alongside subjective ones. In other words, you need to contextualize it. I think with their greenlight go, redlight stop type set-up, Whoop actually does themselves a disservice by making it seem like it’s simpler than it really is. DCRainmaker mentioned this too in his review, he was like, “oh it doesn’t know what training i have coming up so it can’t tell me what to do,” and i don’t think that’s a reasonable thing to ask of it. But Whoop sort of makes it seem like that’s what it IS doing, so it’s a valid criticism.
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Second the HR data is straight up just not accurate. It’ll be off by 20 bpm sometimes. and the strain algorithm overestimates the impact of long steady exercise. Like i’ll go for three hours at a pace that i can hold all day, and it’ll say that i hit top 98% of strain. The “strain” tracking feature just doesn’t make that much sense as a result and i don’t think you can rely on it.
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As far as sleep and HRV accuracy, it seems to be no less accurate than a Garmin. So that part of it is useful.
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It’s just a little too expensive. The thing i like the most is the sleep tracking plus the HRV measurement that happens overnight. I am a person that has a hard time trying to turn off my brain, so if i measure HRV and resting heart rate in the morning when i’m awake, things that i think about impact the measurement. Plus it is oppressive to do it at a consistent time, every day. Huge pain in the ass. But everything i like about the Whoop, i can get from HRV4T plus an Oura ring, now that they have an Oura ring integration. I used to use hrv4training and i plan to go back to it once my Whoop subscription runs its course.
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Do you think muscle fatigue from weights effects HRV? So even if it doesn’t record the strain accurately, it’s still there in the data?
I’ve just got interested in HRV as I wear a Garmin watch, which uses HRV to monitor stress. I’m usually in the 20s, sometimes in the 30s. I got a sickness virus and it recorded over 80 
. I had another bout of this virus a week later, and Garmin showed 60+ stress level. I thought it as been triggered by a hard ride, but it looks like the stress began before I woke that morning.
Having had such an obvious event depicted by HRV I’m wondering how much information of a more subtle kind I’m missing.
Do you get an indication of when you’re going to get I’ll? Or where you are in your menstrual cycle?
( I got a Covid 19 test just in case and it was negative)