Update.
I went on my on my vacation. Came back and got sick. So I missed 1 more Threshold workout. My planned GF Sunday. And 2 edurance workouts this week. So add that to the other 1 VO2 workout for my vacation.
This resulted in my FTP dropping to 302w. That’s where I started January 19th.
3 months to gain 10w, then boom, gone… What a cruel sport this is.
I remind myself often, no gains are permanent, we are always just visiting. Imagine how bummed you’d be at 292 – if you hadn’t gained that 10W in the first place!
Also, you’ll likely gain that 10W back again quicker since you’ve been there already. So not all is lost.
That’s a good point with the 292. Hopefully it will bounce back. Personally I think it’s not correct, but we’ll see once I try a hard workout next week.
As the FTP plan let me drop ftp, the Trake plan was my ftp future set to 259.
Oke had to change small changes, mostly recovery rides or day swab. Well.. 259 lowered week by week till now it is below the current ftp and that was aleady lower after the ftp plan.
As you could see more in the system my question is:" where will this end" and is my season lost now when following these 2 plans?
It’s tough to say exactly what the issue is here. The bug mentioned in this thread doesn’t affect FTP Detections like it affects Predictions, and the fact that your prediction is now showing a decrease from where you’re currently at tells me that there is likely something else going on with your training aside from this prediction bug.
I took a look, and the plan you have in place with 6 workouts a week has more TSS than we’d recommend for you, which could be causing issues. On top of that, you’re regularly riding even more than prescribed, and you’re often skipping one of the two hard workouts in favor of unstructured riding.
All of this adds up and will certainly have an effect on your fitness. For athletes to see the best results, we recommend that they start with a plan that doesn’t trigger a fatigue warning, and then follow that plan as closely as possible. The “Check Volume” tool is great for keeping an eye on when to add more time on the bike, if that’s something you’re looking to do, but more isn’t always better. It’s all about what type of training you can adapt to.
How is your training feeling? Are your workouts hard enough without being too hard? How well are you fueling and sleeping? Are you carrying a lot of fatigue from week to week? Are you staying motivated to train, or is it becoming a bit of a chore?
To explain your analyses. when regularie riding more than planned, it is mostly a slow ride to the washbox for cleaning my bike or a very low test ride when changing tyres or a low recovery ride (I’m an MTB rider). To give the best insight, I keep these in the calender. I once changed a ride (dont know what it was anymore) for a group ride, this was the 16th of April. I never skip interval days as I know these are important.
When having a red day, I rest, when having a yellow day I do a recovery ride after. This should only be good.
when doing the check volume tool it sets me one back. and I’m with the more aggrasive plan training between 6-11 hours, which is not much.
training feels normal, not that hard (somebody wrote that after a Vo2m set, you have to gasp for air) I never had that. I feel that my ftp is way too low, think a 15 w or so. But I want to stock to the plan an that is why with a new (lower ftp number) I use the new number, but it feels like a downwards spiral.
Fueling is perfect, I feul for the job!! sleep is also oke 8hours+ and good sleep, even as HRV, rest hr (36-39)
getting a lower and lower ftp number each period, is not motivating, can say that. When you start a new session period and see an ftp, I tink thats oke, then week after week, the number drops till it gets below the current number is very demotivating and make me angry. hope my answers help you (and others) kr Jan
Based on what I’m seeing with your recent workouts and your RPE survey responses, I’d be surprised if your FTP is set too low.. It looks like you perform really well with VO2 workouts, but find threshold stuff more challenging. That’s not necessarily abnormal or bad in any way; it just speaks to the type of rider you are.
One thing that’s important to keep in mind about VO2 workouts is that not all workouts are supposed to leave you gasping for air. Workouts with longer intervals, around 4 or 5 minutes, often have that effect, but the shorter “on-off” style workouts that you’re doing have a different feeling and intended stimulus.
I do think that some of the yellow days you’re getting could be having a negative effect on your training, and my best advice to combat that would be to try to stick to the plan closely to avoid triggering so many yellow days. The extra TSS and fatigue you’re picking up each day add up and have an impact on what we recommend you do for your next key session. In some cases, those yellow days are blocking or dialing down your upcoming workouts, and you’re left with less quality work in the week and more general pedaling in its place.
This is, of course, your training plan, and it’s your call as to how to structure it, but those are the glaring issues that I see, which are likely bringing down your training slightly.
Race been done, #p1 agegroup. A pity that in this week my TR app crashed, could not open it to see the last week training, seemed to be a bug and that in my most important week of the year, so taper was not good I see now.
Positive… I tapered accordingly to myown thoughts. And now I see that my ftp calculation did not keep dropping, but raised a bit (2w) …
Want to thank you @eddie and all others who gave feedback to help…
@eddie , well that was a hard race. Feeling was not that good to be honest. NP 197 and normally this is 220+ (race was at sealevel). Pw:hr 11% which is oke for a race like this. Did a little too much in the week before, but as said, app issues made me guess. Very technical race, this is my advantage. The climbs were steep, not my thing..(see my calendar if you want details)
After the race I felt good immediately, normally I feel shitty for some hours with a lot of muscle pain, now it was oke (think because of a good food plan (thx @Hexis).
Regarding the app, it was not crashing it was not opening att all (black screen). After the update (after te race) it is working but it is very slow to be honest.
Thx.. indeed, app still most of rhe times is not opening, screen stays black. Sometimes, the rec circle keeps turning, then I close the app (apple swipe up) and re-open. Most of the times this helps..
Yes, race result is good. Happy with p1. But it makes you insecure and nervous when this happens, sure you understand. Not nice in the last week of your absolute A race of the year.