I’d normally select a Stretch if I was finding the progression too easy - however if you’re using AT it should detect that for you.
In this block, I rated 2 Progressive VO2s in a row Easy (4.1 and 4.3 PL) and AT bumped the next one to Stretch (5.4) which felt bang on. Then 5.8 this week 
Always a bit nervous about rating workouts Easy (even if they were easy!) as it means there will be much harder workouts coming down the track 
Hoping somebody can hel me with a question on AT please…What does AT do if you deliberately miss a workout on the same day each week?
So lets assume I load up a LV plan and ride the 2 weekday workouts but simply ignore the weekend one and just ride z2 both days for a few hours. Will AT keep adjusting the 2 weekday sessions in their normal progression? Eg if Tuesdays workouts are a progression of vo2 sessions and Thursdays are o/u’s. will skipping the weekend sessions allow those progressions to continue and not get changed into whatever should have been done on the weekend?
Thanks
I haven’t pushed this to a large extent, but from a few examples of skipped workouts, AT will essentially push the workout set for the current week, into the same day on the next week.
From what I see, it’s effectively “moving” the workout to the following week to get you to do it and build the related fitness and PL, per the plan goals.
The complication here might be the case where the skipped workout is in the same PL as one of the others you are still completing regularly. My guess is that if you hit one VO2 and skip a second one, it will be fine. You will gain fitness and PL on the completed one, and the pending/skipped one won’t necessarily degrade your PL either.
The skipped one shouldn’t really impact other PL’s unless the specific workout missed also has Secondary PL’s. So that might be a crossover issue in some cases.
If the skipped one is in a separate PL from the other 2 you complete, that one PL may degrade since it is not getting any work specifically in that zone (also ignoring secondary PL’s in this simple case).
Sorry Chad - I appreciate the response but you totally lost me after you mentioned the complication 
Below is the SusPB LV plan I’m looking at based on my current PLs. I like the Tues & Thurs progressions but will ride endurance outside every other day or rest. I’m hoping if I skip the SST session on weekends it will ‘leave alone’ the vo2 and o/u progressions during the week and simply adapt those based on my completion of each one eg maybe make a change to the vo2 session based on how I rode the last one, but it will stay a vo2 day and not get swapped over to the missed SST.
Is that how it works?
Edit - also meant to ask what happens if I change the Thurs session to a Friday right beforehand every week? Will it stay the same o/u progression as it would if I’d just done it per the plan on Thurs?
Yup, it should work just as you said. It won’t shuffle the workouts/days. It will likely just push McGregor from week 1 to week 2 once it is skipped.
Your Tue / Thu days will adapt the related PL and workouts based upon your workout completion and survey responses. To a degree, each PL/Zone is independent and will either grow as you complete workouts, or stall/regress as you skip workouts. One won’t directly affect the other.
Perfect - thanks. Thats what I hoped might happen. I guess it means I could actually create a plan and actually only ride 1 of the sessions per week, but still get AT doing its thing to adjust each week based on progress?
I edited my post just as yu replied to add another question…
If I move each Thurs session to a Friday manually in my calendar, does the plan stay ‘intact’ and continue to do the above and progress? Thanks again
You are talking bout drag/dropping the planned workout from Thu to Fri and completing it on that day? If so, TR will still look to the pending workouts for that same PL, and still adapt them if/when needed.
Shuffling the workouts on the days (at least within the same week) are fine and do not break them like the original AT days (that was a legit issue for a while, but is fixed now). Your moved workout completed on Fri of week 1, will still lead to possible adaptations for the pending Thu workout on week 2. The connections are more about the workout and the related PL, not the days specifically.
Thanks Chad
Has anyone had a post workout survey after completing a workout and labeling it “Hard”? I just completed Carpathian Peak +2 which is Threshold level 6.0 and it was tough but very doable. I rated it “Hard” and the was asked “why did you struggle?” Is this the correct logic? I didn’t take a single break or change the intensity.
I have definitely had a “Very Hard” rating that that lead to the “Struggle” survey. Not sure I’ve had it for a “Hard” one.
Do you remember how that workout was set for Difficulty? Was it Achievable or Productive?
Hypothetically, I could see that if you rate an Achievable as “Hard”, AT would wonder why.
There might have been a device interruption, or a ‘break’ may have been observed causing this to think you struggled through the workout. Support@trainerroad.com is privy to what can cause that by looking at your ride log, but just saying ‘I didnt struggle’ will fix that and overwrite any breaks/misses that would cause the logic to think you struggled.
@IvyAudrain Thanks that makes sense. I just went back to change my answer but I don’t have an option for “I didn’t struggle”. Only “Other”? Should I just contact support to see what the cause was?
I’m sure I’ve seen it before, what does ‘other’ give you?
Not sure it does anything in particular according to the support article.
When do I select ‘other’ as a reason when I struggled with a workout?
You could select this if you struggled with a workout for any reason not provided in the survey.
I feel like I’ve see that option before as well! But alas Other just gives a text box to enter something
yes it was “productive” but only by 0.1 points (5.9–>6.0). I did just complete the 5.9 threshold 2 days ago and rated it as “very hard”. Today felt a bit better with a rest day yesterday.
yeah that makes sense but eh when is 3x16 o/u ever going to not be HARD! haha
LOL, I get it. The ratings for PL’s are interesting when you consider the work range and the higher intensities. I’m honestly guessing a lot here, and may be dead wrong, but from a purely conceptual side I think it makes sense.
But hard stuff is hard, especially when you get in the upper half of that PL range from what I have experienced.
Im having the team look into this now, thats weird for sure, it should definitely be there. Hmmm…
