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Are you sure that’s SSB not SusPB?

As Chad says, you didn’t “Pass” the workout, as you did too much time too far below the expected intensity (whatever that means in terms of the system expectations).

I usually put “Training Fatigue”, though I find it a balance because it’s easily “Too Intense” as that is clearly what the workout was, but often the workout is too intense due to accumulated Training Fatigue.

This is potentially a mistake, but here is my take on those two, when used in Struggle survey:

  • Intensity = I was ready and able to perform (properly rested & fueled specifically), but the workout was above my current ability.

  • Training Fatigue = I was NOT ready or able to perform (hard group ride or strength training the day before) but the workout may have been possible for me if I had arrived recovered.

  • Nutrition = Poor or insufficient food and/or fluids.

  • Sleep = Bad night or lack of sleep.

  • Stress / Motivation = Work or Life stress, lack of desire to push hard.

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@mcneese.chad Thanks for full and detailed response. That really helps. Appreciated.

I only saw “Training fatigue” and I don’t think it was quite that. I was just tired late afternoon. You are right though, it probably would have done.

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Yeah we love @mcneese.chad’s description of those survey options. 19/10 TR approved. :rofl:

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Not sure if it’s been asked… Can we get notifications when progression levels go down? Or maybe a chart with PL history? Or see them on the calendar? Thank you.

There’s at least one feature request ongoing for a PL history chart. You can view your current PLs on your career page.

PLs won’t go down in direct response to a workout but will “decay” over time, i.e. if your current threshold PL is 5.5 and you do a 5.1 threshold workout it won’t drop to 5.1 which is why you get the “Threshold 5.5 → 5.5 (+0.0)” type message. How fast any given PL decays is due partly to the particular energy system, i.e. VO2max, and to how long since your last workout targeting that system. So you could get a lot of notifications! I suspect you’d get fed up of them pretty quickly :grinning:

Yes definitely SSBMVII.

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This is on the roadmap! Developers are working on this. :sunglasses:

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@IvyAudrain, @ambermalika, AT adjusted my SSBHV2 plan by increasing Saturday workouts to 2 hours (previously 1:30 from PB) and reducing my Tuesday workouts to 1:30 (previously 2 hours). This is the first time I’ve seen AT change duration/volume. I like the change but is this a new feature or did SSBHV2 plan get updated?

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I wish you could manually edit your progression levels to force AT to adjust your plan in certain areas (Knowing that after your next workout in that area, it’ll probably want to adapt back towards where you were before.)

Currently I have a sweet spot workout on Fridays that I ALMOST fail every time, and i’d love for it to be a little lower. What ends up happening is that the Threshold workout I have a couple days later suffers, and AT keeps lowering THAT area, and keeping the sweet spot level the same. So the result is that my sweet spot progression level is around 6, and all other levels are < 4. I know we should just “trust the system”, but I feel like i’m going to end up hating sweet spot workouts, and sucking at everything else.

Maybe I’m the only one with this issue, I’ve also had a sickness AND injury in the last few weeks so AT is probably having a hard time figuring out what to do with my plan.

Alternatively I’m tempted to adjust my FTP a little lower so that everything resets, and I can start building back from there.

It’s definitely a tough loop to get out of when you start getting workouts you can just do (or just about do). Get close enough to be given a pass, have your PL go up, get prescribed the next progression, just pass that one. Rinse repeat.

I think the answer would be to put All-Out, or Very Hard to that one where you just about fail. I probably need to do that, but I know that it can be hard to do it when the workouts weren’t “all-out”.

For sure. “All-Out” feels like something reserved for anaerobic workouts in my head. But you’re probably right.

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As long as you used Alternates to change the duration of your assigned workouts, they’re still considered for AT, and may result in duration adaptations for future workouts!

I was trying to use Alternates to do a longer workout and when I confirmed the longer workout AT tried to adapt it back to the original duration. Is that a bug/working as intended?

Hello, the answer is probably “toughen up”, but I have a workout coming up on sunday and it’s a breakthrough (I’m currently at 1.8 threshold and it’s giving me a 4.5 workout). I was unable to do a threshold (life got in a way) workout last week followed by not being able to do a sweet spot workout and I thought I’d get stuff recalculated, but as the day approaches I get more and more anxious about it lol. Should I just drop the Citadel workout from last friday instead of Mount Goode -3 coming up sunday or just try to survive the 2.7 threshold level increase? I’m also interested in why it’s not recalculating anything in this case.

Thanks!

I believe that is normal function/working as intended. I see it a lot if I adapt workouts in the future. It makes some sense as your PL may change between when you “Alternated” it and when you get to that workout.

Definitely a reason to be able to check box/accept adaptations by workout or accept all.

@IvyAudrain

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I would use Alternates and pick a workout that looks tough but doable.

But alternates are suggesting me either the same progression level workouts or harder ones :man_shrugging:

Change the Alternate tab to “Productive” instead of Stretch.