A Wahoo user compares: Karoo 3 vs Edge 1050 (long)

I’m a long time Wahoo Bolt user in need of a new computer. I was disappointed with the Ace, but had the opportunity to test drive both a Karoo 3 and an Edge 1050 over the Festive 500, and thought I’d share my takes on this comparison. I have a bunch of travel-with-bike planned for this year, so mapping functionality in unfamiliar terrain is important to me, and rather lacking on the Bolt.

Top line: I’m keeping the 1050. It’s not quite perfect, but it’s really good and fully realized now, has a huge number of features you won’t find anywhere else, and I find the UI to be much improved relative to Garmin units I’ve tried before. The Karoo is a solid unit, and may be the inheritor of Wahoo’s “simple and just works” crown, with a nice screen and very clear mapping, but it’s missing a ton of features and configurability present in the Garmin.

Wins for the 1050:

  • · Customizability: You can almost certainly get it to show you EXACTLY the data you want, either natively or using ConnectIQ apps to add data fields. The map is a programmable data field, which is cool. My favorite everything-at-a-glance field is this, which includes both Connect IQ fields up top and a map inset.
  • · Richness and customizability of maps: Garmin’s maps are not the easiest to read IMO, but they have more info and more ability to alter their display than anyone else’s. Detail level, contour lines, font sizes, bike shops, restrooms, road hazards, popularity/heat map, MTB trails via Trailforks, all available and customizable.
  • · Feature set: 1050 just does a lot of stuff the Karoo doesn’t. The bell, native music control, native (though imperfect) eat/drink alerts, performance/recovery metrics, power guide, Garmin Pay, suggested routes, all the group ride features, road hazard mapping, there’s a lot going on. This is a partial list, and I don’t currently use many of these, but I find some of them super handy.
  • · Battery life: I ran both units with backlight low auto-brightness but always on and with AXS shifting, PM, Varia and HR all connected, so pretty high drain use cases. With these parameters, I was averaging 17.5 vs. 13.2 hours to empty for the 1050 vs. Karoo 3, respectively. Neither number is amazing, neither is a dealbreaker for me either.

Annoyances for the 1050:

  • · The map is not the easiest to read. The primary navigation line is dark purple, a color palette that’s also used for “popularity” heatmapping. Huge win for the Karoo here (thick bright yellow/red nav line.)
  • · The screen is a bit more prone to glare than that Karoo. Not a huge deal, as the backlight is strong enough to be seen, but in the rain under a dappled tree canopy this was noticeable.
  • · Virtual Partner must be killed with fire. It’s an annoying feature, no one likes it, and it’s on by default and can’t be turned off as far as I can tell. You can set it to be very slow or very fast so it goes away, but these settings aren’t saved so you have to do it again next time you ride a course. Annoying.
  • · Alerts should be more customizable. I want an audible alert for eat/drink but not for turn-by-turn. You can’t have one without the other.
  • · As noted by others, the elevation graph that appears on the map page, and associated % grades, seems to largely be a random number generator. Making this work right, have scale marked, and have user-customizable zoom would be nice. Making upcoming elevation a graphical field that can be added to any layout (as map currently is) would be even better.

Wins for the Karoo:

  • · Setup with SRAM AXS is laughably easy. Connect to your SRAM account and every sensor is paired and ready to go.
  • · Menus are more intuitive, and include little graphics showing what changing each parameter will do to the display. Very nice.
  • · The map is easier to read. While it lacks the customizability and data richness of Garmin’s, the color choices, line thickness, heatmap implementation and ease of showing/hiding data overlays are all great.
  • · Physical buttons. I found both touchscreens to work well, and both units can also be programmed to work with wireless blips (which I have and recommend). But with thick gloves on in the rain it’s really nice to have an option to scroll through pages with buttons rather than pawing ineffectually at the screen.
  • · Karoo shows clock, ride timer and battery % at the top of the screen at all times, like a smartphone. This is handy.

Annoyances for the Karoo:

  • · Limited display options: There are many fewer total data layout options, and the screen real estate is not used super effectively. Data fields are pre-specified as numeric or graphical, and can’t be changed; Garmin lets you put a graphic anywhere.
  • Navigation, workouts and elevation data appear in a “drawer” that pops up from below; this is a great idea, but the drawers pop up to different heights and don’t snap to the existing data field borders, meaning they partially hide some fields. They also block the “navigation” pill at the bottom of the screen, so there’s no way to have navigation, climb/elevation, and HR/Power data all visible at once. Depending on your map settings they also obscure the “rider” arrowhead on the map, rather than the map re-scaling. Great idea but badly implemented.
  • · Missing features: Lack of native music control, eat/drink reminders, and bell are the most glaring for me. Obviously Garmin has a whole universe of performance metrics, power guide/stamina/pacing info, and group ride features that I find less useful but are missing on the Karoo as well. The new HH SDK may eventually help close this gap; a few nice 3rd party apps have appeared and more will presumably follow, though they’re obviously way way behind Garmin’s ecosystem.
  • · Lack of customization: I probably wouldn’t notice this without the Garmin for comparison, but almost everything on the Garmin can be adjusted. This can be overwhelming, but if you take the time to learn how it works it’s pretty nice. From big things (e.g. how maps are displayed) to smaller ones (e.g. Garmin will auto-select which satellite networks are used to preserve battery) the Garmin just does more stuff.

Things Wahoo still does better:

  • · I miss the data field zoom feature.
  • · Option to control everything via buttons is nice when riding with gloves (though a touchscreen is indispensable at this point in my opinion.)
  • · Routing via huge chevrons that are color coded for climbs is a great way to represent the route in 3D in an easy-to-read way. Wahoo’s maps are very sparse compared to Garmin’s, but color coded chevrons are still my favorite way to route.
  • · If small size is what you want, the Bolt obviously wins. I actually think size/weight is a wash between Karoo and 1050; size is similar, the 1050 is ~38g heavier but I can take the physical bell off my bike, so call it even.

Bottom line: If you’re willing to spend the time to set it up and learn its features, the 1050 is by far the most capable and customizable bike computer currently available. The new UI on the 1050 is much better IMO, and I can always find what I need when I need it.

The Karoo works very well however, and if you’re looking for Wahoo-like ease of use (and are a SRAM AXS user, ideally), the Karoo is intuitive to set up and easy to read. I expect it will gain functionality via 3rd party apps with the new SDK. It’s obviously also less expensive than the 1050, though to me the 1050 has enough extra functionality to justify the cost.

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Thanks for taking the time to write up your well thought out experiences with both. I’m in a similar boat to you, with a Bolt v2 dieing on me (will be the fourth Bolt to give up the ghost, after three v1s croaked it. Are Wahoo’s just poorly made?) I’m currently considering the 1050, Karoo and Ace. I was swaying towards the 1050 but your list of annoyances with it would probably have me hurling it into a hedge.

For me, the 1050’s annoyances are fairly minor, and all things I can definitely live with given the massively greater functionality and customizability. The maps are initially a bit harder to read, but you get used to them and I really do appreciate the greater detail they provide. On yesterday’s ride I found a public restroom that I didn’t know existed thanks to the map, priceless! Garmin is also the only one with Trailforks integration, which is a killer feature if you mountain bike.

I think if you mainly ride areas you know and want a simpler device for data recording, get the Karoo. If you want to actually find your way with the computer, get the Garmin.

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@Teddy_Focaccia Waiting until now to try the 1050 was wise, even if you didn’t intend to wait. :smiley: The software updates have reduced the annoyances to that minor level.

Really? I’ve never had a single issue with the 1050 and I was an early adapter.

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For sure, it seems like every new unit has launched with some issues recently. This was part of my reason for bailing on Wahoo: even if they do launch a major Roam update this spring, I have no faith it’ll actually work until several months post-launch.

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@Pbase I wouldn’t say issues… but quirks and more annoyances. I forget what they were to be honest, but after some updates it became shrug minor for me.

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Oh, I remembered one. Barely any customization of the workout screen. You could only change I think it was two fields. The rest were hard coded.

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Gotcha. Yeah, I never use the standard screens, so this is totally possible.

That does seem like more of a quirk than the debacles we’ve seen with the Ace and the Dura. I’d say the current Virtual Partner is also a quirk; talking with my local Garmin rep he said he thought they’d eliminated that feature from the 1050, but seems it’s back from the dead. Annoying and quirky but not an example of non-functionality.

Thanks for the thread - really useful. I have a 1050 now and had a Roam V1 and V2
I actually mainly do ultra cycling events - so 1000-2000 km following a track.
The 1050 screen is super bright, but I actually find the Maps really hard to read. Like it will show amazing detail to the left and right of the track, but the track itself is really hard to follow at times…
The wahoo is laughable in comparison…and yet the chevrons make following a track super clear, as well as the top LEDs warning of upcoming turn.

But I went on holiday over Christmas, brought both and the wahoo took 10 mins to get a GPS signal. The 1050 just worked…

The Karoo does look really clean, but battery life isnt really good enough for Ultras

Dilema !

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That is customisable to any colour you want, as well as many of the map features. Unfortunately not via a simple menu option. When plugged into a computer you’ll find a folder under Garmin called themes. Each (XML) file in there represents the map theme you can pick in the device menus. Copy a theme file such as high contrast to say highest contrast. Then open the file and change the active course colour from purple to red or whatever pleases you.

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Edit: this does a ton, but does not change the upcoming nav. Follow @Teddy_Focaccia ’s advice for that.

Actually, you can change it on the device too:
Map Appearance Settings
Select the Hamburger > Activity Profiles, select a profile, and select Navigation > Map > Appearance.
Popularity Map: Highlights popular roads or trails for your ride type. The darker the road or trail, the more popular.
High Contrast: Sets the map to display data with higher contrast, for better visibility in challenging environments.
Map Detail: Sets the level of detail shown on the map.
Color Mode: Adjusts the appearance of the map for your ride type.
History Line Color: Allows you to change the line color of the path you have traveled.
Advanced: Allows you to set zoom levels and text size, and enable shaded relief and contours.
Reset Map Default: Resets the map appearance to the default settings.

Map settings start on page 39: https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/GUID-08ACA9FC-DEE6-4C8D-8A95-F62181C512E9/EN-US/Edge_1050_OM_EN-US.pdf

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And then “highest contrast” shows up as a selectable theme in the map customization menu on the device?

Yep, it’s the same on some of the earliest Garmin Edges which also use these theme files under the hood.

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As far as I’m aware nothing there lets you change the upcoming nav line, only the “history” line i.e. the trace of where you’ve already ridden.

Ahhh. Sorry. You’re correct.

@Drew Great, and fair comparison. I got frustrated with it and let go of my Hammerhead a year ago, but recently got a 1050 and couldn’t be happier. Never in a million years could anyone have convinced me how amazingly useful the bell feature on the 1050 is.

A few other things worth noting against the Hammerhead (note my list is a year old now, so maybe some things have gotten better):

  • That horrible rubber plug in the charging port. You will lose it quickly, order a bag of them from Amazon, then lose all of those. Then you’ll just run it without one and frequently clean dirt from it so you can charge it.
  • No auto-shut down feature
  • As you mentioned, needs deeper map screen vs data screen customization. i.e. half upcoming elevation/half route
  • No companion app. You have to wait until you are amongst known WiFi to sync
  • No integration with TrailForks or any useful trail mapping.
  • Cannot customize individual volume alerts as opposed to all alerts vs no alerts. It’s either muted, or blaring like a teenager’s phone (this may have been fixed)
  • Can’t drop a pin. It’s an Android right? Seems like that would be a no-brainer
  • No screenshot ability that I know of
  • Takes forever to boot up

Seemed like they were definitely on to something big when they released it, but I feel like they released it 80% finished and just never closed up the last bits. SRAM vs Shimano couldn’t have helped their cause either. Nonetheless, big props to the original developers and team that built it. They did a great job and I hope the payday was great.

@pbase Same. My 1050 has been absolutely flawless. TBH, the best computer to date. I even forgot what I paid for it within one week.

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