6 cyclists injured by pickup truck attempting to "roll coal"

This. If a lane is too narrow for a bike and car to share in addition to the 3-foot buffer, where the bike is in the lane is irrelevant other than to assuage the anger of motorists who want to be able to pass dangerously without being inconvenienced.

But you have incorrectly assumed that it is illegal for a vehicle to depart their lane to pass an obstruction. Here is a link explaining with regard to Florida vehicle code.

Essentially a vehicle operator can depart their lane (even crossing double yellow) to pass under reasonable conditions. I would even go further to say that a driver is expected to depart their lane due to the geometric constraints you mention.

In response to my prior post I now see the point that is being made.

I leave up the original reply including the link for reference.

I can think of several municipalities on popular cycling routes that have a single file ordinance. Most serious riders know that they can get away with riding two across, but you’ll still be open to getting pulled over by a small town cop, one who already has chip on their shoulder.

That’s so sad. Thankfully in the UK we don’t have that law. Our guide says "you should never ride more than two abreast ". Unfortunately some people treat that as you can’t ride two abreast, and ignore the ā€œmore thanā€ bit. Every so often governments organisations and other places will spell out that it’s easier/faster to overtake a short compact group at the correct time than a long strung out one. They also point out that a two abreast group is more visible to people which helps everyone too. That however, seems to get ignored by some (probably mostly the same some) too :-1:

Reads like the so many other stories that lead people to believe there are some groups that are more privileged than others…

ā€œTeen with college aspiration with no criminal intendā€

ā€œCops interview him at the scene, no tickets issuedā€

Classic

They should charge the kid with using a chemical weapon, on top of the other normal charges. That would stop this BS.

I’ve gone through the whole thread but there’s no explanation of the term ā€œroll coalā€. Obviously in common usage in the US but I’ve never heard it here in the UK - I’m no petrol head so don’t hang around in motoring circles where it may be used.

Rolling coal: 'Rolling coal' protest drivers facing fines, criticism - YouTube

You change the tune of a diesel engine to dump extra fuel in the cylinders under heavy load so that it doesn’t burn all the way. They also remove particulate filters, modify the exhaust, etc. The result is large black clouds of smog out of the exhaust. People’s Reasons for doing it range from thinking it looks cool to pure anti-environmentalism.

As expected, it seems the kid might be connected in the county

What I don’t understand about this case is when the coal rolling was happening. It’s not logical to hit the cyclists from the rear while coal rolling them. Normally they zoom by and hit the gas as they are passing to create the cloud of smoke.

In the past, every time I’ve heard of a group of cyclists getting plowed from behind, it’s been a case of DUI, mental illness, asleep at the wheel, meth, or a combination of several of those things.

This case is just odd or details have not come to light yet.

The fact the cops didn’t give a shit about the cyclists should tell you anything you need to know about the what happened…

Read the legal representation of the 6 cyclist that i just posted…

What? You’ve never heard of cyclists being intentionally ā€œbrushed backā€ and the driver misjudging distances? Never heard of distracted drivers using their phones or paying attention to their radios and not the road?

Seems pretty clear this kid was trying to scare the cyclists and things went horribly wrong.

His ā€œdefenseā€ is he was reaching for his cellphone to call his dad…

I’ve been road cycling for 4 decades and I’ve seen/heard about many of these cases but no, I’ve never of a case where a whole group of cyclists was mowed down by someone trying to buzz them and scare them.

There is more to this case that we haven’t heard.

As I read the situation, I think the most likely scenario is that the driver wanted to scare the cyclists, but misjudged the relative speed and collided with them without intending to. The latter doesn’t change that the driver is solely responsible for that.

Even if things went ā€œas intended, I can also imagine being startled by the howling engine, being engulfed in dark smoke (that makes it harder to breathe, too). Even then if one or more of the cyclists had crashed into one another in the peloton as a consequence, this would have been 100 % on the driver.

Like what?

Some of things I mentioned. There was a witness in the truck with him. He must have a story. Drugs could be involved. All we read is ā€œrolling coalā€ as the newspaper headline and we see a whole group of cyclists plowed into. It doesn’t match up. That’s all I’m saying.

If he had clipped them with his side mirror, then ok, I’d believe the story that has been presented so far.

No kidding. I’m not trying to suggest that the driver isn’t at fault. I’m saying that the story so far sounds like BS. It doesn’t align.

You are right that we don’t know the full story, and probably we will never will know what the driver truly intended to do.

The victims likewise probably won’t have a full grasp of what transpired — not only because they don’t have eyes in the back of their heads and things must have happened in a split second, but because that’s what shock does to you. (I’m not dinging them, that’s just the nature of things.) Nor would I take the passenger’s testimony at face value.

The question, though, is whether this is relevant for the legal case at all. I can’t say, I am not a lawyer. However, I can’t see a scenario where this crash wouldn’t have been 100 % the drivers fault and where the driver at the very least accepted risking the lives or the cyclists.

What worries me, though, is the cavalier attitude of law enforcement, and I reckon this attitude continues in at least parts of the judiciary system.