Your FTP improvements

Hey folks, This forum has helped me so much!

Joined the 300 club today.

Ramp test results:

  • Feb 20: 245
  • November 24, 2020: 261
  • January 6, 2021: 265
  • Feb 4, 2021: 285
  • March 12, 2021: 300!

Here’s my stats:

  • 53 YO dad/entrepreneur
  • Had my 2nd total knee replacement in June 20 (riding on two fake knees), so have to be really careful about form and working it too hard
  • Used plan builder in November to build a plan to peak for Leadville in August 2021
  • 187 pounds, 6 ft. (3.5 W/KG)

Targets:

  • weight = 175
  • Power = 320

Very grateful for all the ideas and suggestions and inspiration!

At the end of SSB1 MV, my first intro to structured training despite 8 years of regular riding and racing, improved from 280 to 293 W for 3.81 W/kg. Excited to see further improvement as my workouts look like they are about to get harder. Goal of 4.25w/kg seems within reach!

Hello everybody,
Today i have finished general build and did ramp test.

I did ramp test both on zwift and tr (i have two pm which are quarq dfour and elite smart direto trainer. I matched dfour with zwift).

And according to my ramp test zwift says my ftp 320w FTP (76kg) which is same at the beginning of the build after 12 weeks base.

This is the zwift ramp test strava link:
https://www.strava.com/activities/4996672631/power-curve

In my ramp test, i could hit 178 bpm btw my max around 180-182 bpm. And after this test i just spin 25 mins zone 1 and wanted to race on zwift as a workout after ramp test. But the interesting thing is that in the race i produced really high watts.

Zwift race numbers after ramp test (25 mins after test)
Duration = 24 mins
Avg watts= 331watt
Np= 340 watt
Avg hr= 171 and max hr= 180 bpm

This is the zwift race strava link:
https://www.strava.com/activities/4996987373

So my questions are these=

  • what is my ftp? 320? If 320w how can i produce 340w np 24 mins after test?
  • is it normal to produce these watts after ramp test? Or did not go deep on the ramp test?
  • and my last question i started general build high volume with 320w ftp after 12 weeks volume and finished it with same power. I could finish all workouts but it seems ftp did not get high (but i lost 2-3 kgs). So can i say i gained from this build or loosing weight blocked my gains in terms of raw wat?

I’ve gone backwards but feel better doing the workouts. It’s like I was getting good at doing ramp tests but I couldn’t do the intervals. I went from 236W to 256W and any workout near or above threshold was impossible to complete. I’ve now adjusted back to 203W via the 8min FTP test and workouts are achievable.
Once AT is released I’ll do another ramp test and see how the computer adjusts the intensity levels for me. Hopefully I’ll find my groove.
I hate being outside the Bell Curve…

Last test was 10 weeks ago at 275. I manually updated 6 weeks ago to 280 (I really didn’t feel like testing).

This morning I did and ramp test and got 280. And I’m definitely not going to complain because I’ve been very inconsistent the last 3 weeks.

Np is not a good predictor of FTP as the idea is “steady state” and NP can be hugely elevated by some sprints and bursts of power. When it comes to avg it was 331 so if you trea ramp test as a clearing effort it gives you 314W. So 320W seems as a resonable number to me.

Age 45, weigh 67kg so currently 4.1 w/kg. Racing around 10 years and spent the last 5 seasons between cat 1/2 before Covid arrived.

April & May ramp test were on Kickr whilst all other were Garmin Vector 3. Kickr reads higher so I think I would discount 10 watts from those results.

I’ve been pretty regimental in terms of completing workouts since covid and working from home. Really enjoyed the workouts which provided some structure to my day and prevented me going insane :slight_smile:

In terms of results I think I have pretty much plateaued as I use SSB1HV and SSPBMV mostly given no racing.

I would really love to break 300 using my vector pedals but I suspect I might be reaching my physical limits at 45 and current weight.

I repeated SSBHV 3 times and went from 279 - 283 - 284 and the test after the 3rd block 23rd Feb I completed the ramp test with the phone turned over and my FTP dropped to 278. That was a mistake for me because I am pretty dogged and feel I would have held on to 284.

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Have been training very consistently over the last 8 weeks, using Fulgaz I started with and ftp of 285, wk 4 it was 320 and today it was 323.

Not as big a ls an improvement that it felt like while doing the ride but it is still an improvement. Sometimes for me just feeling like I am riding strong is just as good as.bigger numbers. I love feeling like I am ruling the test and it not ruling me

Date Plan FTP W/kg
April 20th, 2020 Initial Test 208W 2.2W/kg
June 2nd, 2020 Completed Sweet Spot Base MV1 224W 2.46W/kg
July 15th, 2020 Completed Sweet Spot Base MV2 240W 2.74W/kg
August 11th, 2020 Midway Sustained Power Build MV 244W 2.83W/kg
September 9th, 2020 Completed Sustained Power Build MV 249W 3.04W/kg
November 9th, 2020 Completed 1st half Century MV and Traditional Base MV1 239W 3.03W/kg
December 15th, 2020 Completed Sweet Spot Base MV1 252W 3.21W/kg
February 2nd, 2021 Completed Sweet Spot Base MV2 258W 3.26W/kg
March 2nd, 2021 Midway Sustained Power Build LV + Z2 263W 3.35W/kg
March 30th, 2021 Completed Sustained Power Build LV + Z2 270W 3.45W/kg

So I finished up Sustained Power Build LV + Z2 rides and got a nice bump this time around. I felt fresher and was more consistent then my previous run through the mid volume version. That being said I did have trouble with the Thursday supra-threshold workouts, I couldn’t get all the way through the first few and subbed in an easier one on the final week. Really please with my results.

Hello, my name is Louis and i haven’t been to an FTP meeting in a while.
So a few things happened last year:
i dropped structured cycling when Covid happened,
dropped structured swimming when Covid happened as masters club got cancelled,
dropped cycling for 2 months,
then started cycling for fun every morning until it got cold again…scored a sweet deal on powermeter pedals during that timeframe
Then realized how low my actual power is (screw you tacx vortex for giving me false sense of power, 20w + drop!!!) and was spotty at best in my riding until december.
Then i dropped cycling completely and started running daily in Jan 2021… i spent 2 months not riding, again, dropped drastically once more, to 164w FTP beginning of march. Did one block of Trad Base Low volume while keeping my runs easy (z2 mainly) for the whole month, and got an increase to 171w FTP
Starting the Polarized plan and mixing it with 80/20 Level 1 10k running plan with no clear goal this week, but there’s definitely more intensity so i hope i’ll be able to reach the last 12-13 bpm i haven’t been able to get to (red-lining at 180 bpm for some weird reason on the bike this year… my max is low 190s)

Anyways that’s the end of my novel.

From like 260w to 323w @ 81kgs. Happy with my progression! My stretch goal for this year is to hit 4.5w/kg which means I have to drop my weight to 78kg and raise my ftp to 350w.
I was 330 @ 79kg last year, but I think I can do better :slight_smile:

I’ve dealt with a lot of injuries but was able to avoid them this winter and I’m very happy with my progress following the SSB MV plans. Thank you TR!!!

Date FTP Weight W/kg Notes Test
Dec-18 220 60 3.67 First ftp test (20 min) and new to indoor riding and structured training 20 min (trainer)
Jan-19 256 60 4.27 SSB MVI (90% compliance) Ramp (trainer)
Apr-19 260 60 4.33 SSB MVII (50% compliance) + unstructured outdoor 20 min (outside)
Nov-20 258 62 4.16 A year and a half of unstructured training/injuries 20 min (trainer)
Dec-20 261 62 4.21 4 weeks of sweet spot and threshold workouts (3-4 hours a week) 20 min (trainer)
Feb-21 275 62 4.44 SSB MVI (100% compliance) 20 min (trainer)
Mar-21 287 62 4.63 SSB MVII (100% compliance) 20 min (trainer)

5 months in to TR, having never done structured training before. Was running/cycling/circuits at the gym probably 4 times a week

Anyway, a tale of two power metrics. First, was just using virtual power on my mag rollers:

Nov 20 - 154
Dec 20 - 158
Jan 21 - 176

Then i got a left side power meter:

Feb 21 - 246
Mar 21 - 267

Was surprised at how much virtual power understated my actual FTP (I refuse to countenance the idea that my new results are overstated!)

Early days, but seems like it’s working for me

I’m 45, 79kg, and have been pretty diligently following an MV plan, fuelling well, sleeping well

My Vortex was 25-30 watts off and even higher at higher powers. It was a crushing blow. :frowning:

If it makes anyone feel better, I lost 45w going from virtual power to a P2M. :sob:

This on top of the 30w I lost from Zwift to TR virtual power. :rofl:

I take people’s watt numbers with a grain of salt, even those with power meters as some can be 10-20w different from each other.

Yeah my buddy moved from Vortex to Kickr and got a kick to his pride lol

I got a Stages last year. My first outdoor FTP test was a comedy failure. I’m thinking, “WTF, my indoor 20 minute power is 270 watts and I can’t even push 230 watts today”. “This Stages piece of crap must be broken!”

I know of “300w FTP” riders who got beat by legitimate “250w FTP” riders in a TT.

It’s fun to share numbers and feel excited about improvements, but it’s important to remember to focus on yourself and not what others are getting.

Ive pushed harder outdoors on marshalled TTs in perfect conditions compared to indoors, or at least similar, but in general I push harder when I only have to worry about falling 3ft from a stationary object and not have to worry about traffic, sidewinds and potholes etc.

It’s certainly a lot easier to wince and close your eyes to push when you don’t have to worry about crashing at 30mph. :rofl: