What is the real problem with TR / Wahoo? [Adaptive Training]

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@AlphaDogCycling

This is a fact free post

@RexSkeleton

That’s quite the conspiracy theory that you have fabricated for yourself to justify your frustration.

It’s what happens when you don’t communicate with your customers - they are left to idle speculation

I’d love nothing more than for a TR employee to come on here and actually share a meaningful, credible time-based outlook so we could make better informed decisions about head unit purchases and subscription renewals.

@Flea_v2

I can’t imagine Wahoo are in a massive rush to help what is effectively a competitor in the training app market. Probably as simple as that.

This is my fear exactly… that there is something more intractable here and it’s not going to get better anytime soon. That’s not a conspiracy theory - just recognizing a reality that competitive pressures and consolidations risk us ending up with walled garden scenarios that are bad for everyone.

The total lack of communication and transparency on this would be consistent with a scenario where the two companies are no longer working together constructively, be it because Wahoo doesn’t want to spend resources enabling TR to be more useful, or TR is preparing to go all-in with Garmin, or ???

I have the same complaint to Wahoo - if you’re not supporting what these platforms need your device to do - do you really want to frustrate me so my next purchase is a Garmin instead of Bolt V2?

@triggerdog

Because it hasn’t been fixed TR is essentially useless for training. I’ve learned a lot about training structure over the past year, and base building is pretty damn straightforward, so I don’t need TR’s workouts. I can easily set up some basic progressions and work myself forward. I am not doing a plan because I actually want to ride my bike for fun, not just train every single ride. TrainNow doesn’t work if you ride outdoors, and AT would obviously not work either, so there is no point in the product right now. And since it’s been months with literally 0 communication, I was not going to sit around and keep paying hoping TR would get their shit together. Basically TR turned into a glorified calendar with TSS; I’m not paying $20 a month for that.

Totally sums up my position at the moment as well. I learned a lot - now I could easily make plans / workouts on my own. What keeps me subscribing is continuous improvement and exciting new features to make that process super simple. When none of those features work (TrainNow / progressions), the stock plans are mucked up in a way that depends on progressions to be useful, and all the potentially cool stuff isn’t coming (AT months after the hype and indefinite on Wahoo) - it’s hard to justify buying software as a service forever for what is pretty static / declining functionality.