It’s worth your time to read the announcement articles and watch the release videos. Lots of explanation, but the bottom line is TR is no longer estimating FTP in the same way as they did in the past, so trying to compare “TRAIFTP” to hour power (or whatever metric you prefer) is not going to be fruitful.
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Have you given that a shot to see how things would look?
We get the “I don’t believe 302” reason often, but it’s rare that there is more than a gut feeling to back it up. We’d recommend giving things a shot, committing fully, and letting us know what you find.
If what you find proves that our figures are off, that could help us improve, but gut feelings won’t do that at all. 
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This is so infruiating! “Hey! You know that benchmark used in cycling power training for the last 20 years that everyone more or less agrees on and can base their training on? Well TR is using the same acronym, but it doesnt really mean anything. But dont worry about it, trust us, the workouts are still good and will make you faster”
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Hi @JoeX Not so crazy recently. Pretty disrupted start to the year. Broken wrist (snowboarding) second week in Jan. Then a strain in the hip area stopping running over the past two weeks.
But have been biking indoors thought. With a fair few e-races to keep it interesting. So would have thought it would have a good mix of easy and hard data to work with.
This would be the data from intervals.icu, Would use the TR calender but can’t fit a week in one view. (pulls in my 15 min bike commutes from strava, so that looks crazy busy)
There is nothing close to suggesting 380w threshold.
Keep in mind that weight is a highly objective thing that can be measured just about anywhere, any time.
Yes some scales will read slightly differelty, but they’re all measuring the exact same thing.
FTP is mesaured differently by different people. What is it exactly that they’re measuring? Lactate curves? TTE at a specific power? Power for a specific duration? Workout performance?
That’s why it might be more likely for two sources’ FTP measurements to be slightly more different than weight.
The range of FTPs we’ve seen from athletes that vary significantly because of their estimation/testing protocols is pretty wide.
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I’d let it make a training plan or a workout for you and since the FTP is sooooo far off, you will probably know immediately, like without even doing the workout whether or not the system is assessing your fitness correctly or not.
That is a wild gap! Sounds like u may have to experiment with giving it a manual entry ftp. I dont think this new system is any better than the old one and unfortunately in some cases its worse.
At least in the old system you know if you just told it my ftp is 325, you’d get good workouts suited to you.
You TR guys cannot take these niche cases to build up a strawman. Everyone knows what ftp is. Just google it. Every single top hit (except TR sourced) says its basically your 1 hour power.
You are taking stuff off a page 3 google search result and claiming its the same thing when 99% of people agree in principal what ftp is
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Other than the evidence that the values are working for training for the vast majority of people.
If by basically an hour you mean something in the 40 minute to 70 minute range. Then basically you are correct.
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that is kinda my point - ‘the values are working’ but they themselves say TR doesnt care about FTP, only watts. So why build a better mousetrap and distract everyone from it by screwing with FTP? I’m never saying the workouts are no good, just that the FTP number has lost meaning and relevance and thats a problem for people.
I have a pretty regular annual cycle. I would prefer FTP would just be a predictor of my ramp test ftp or whatever it used to be so i can see at the end of Feb how i stack up vs last year etc….
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That’s a good question.
I also use run power and had a slightly strange onboarding FTP detection when I came back to training a few weeks ago. 
Let me see what I can find.
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From a rider’s perspective, I’d say that I don’t care about the protocol or the precise number, as long as it is in the ballpark where:
- OUs accumulate a burning sensation in the O part and perceived relief in the U part
- intervals of 15+ minutes at approx. that power cause more suffering and fatigue (in a highly non-linear fashion) compared to something that’s ~5% easier.
Looking back at that, I’d say it should be a physiological marker (and physiology varies day-to-day, as we all agree). Also, it fits in well with the fact that people I know in the national team have to go through lactate protocols at the beginning of each season, as well as lab Vo2 testing.
Ultimately, whatever the source of measurement is, I’ll apply common sense and critisize it based on how my training feels, as it is a training number.
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Not form your phone, but a tablet or laptop would allow it.
If you make your calendar public you can link it - need to see what TrainerRoad sees and how it sees your training, really.
@eddie is here already so he might take a look
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It should be public now.
Does this work: Log In to TrainerRoad
It is very messy at the moment with commutes and split warm/e-races 
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Cheers.
There’s unsurprisingly a lot of training, not a lot of RPE recorded and doesn’t look like you’ve done a TR workout yet?
So I wouldn’t worry about the scope or the prediction, just get through a week of training and see what the workouts feel like - should be within your wheelhouse (see the power curve), and it will adjust if it thinks its initial assessment need correcting.
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My gut feeling is what we’re going to realise a few cycles in is that as our “FTP”s keep climbing up, all the happens is they give us slightly easier workouts, and the watts we’re aiming for don’t really change. That’s my gut feeling, I hope I’m wrong!
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I had an overestimation at first and I have done some runs with my Garmin watch. Very few, but > 0 and my estimated power there is significantly higher than the bike.
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It’s not likely that’s the problem, but I am looking into it. 
Nah, my watch does runningnpower and I don’t have that problem. I even tried to set a running ftp during a glitch last year.
@Benwgoodfellow fwiw the recommended AI/Plan workouts are not based on FTP any more so they’ll all adjust to your actual recent power output.