Interesting. Isn’t the only difference with Shakedry that’s it’s lacking the outermost layer that Gore’s 3-layer materials have?
Looking at the GV jacket online, I think I had an earlier hoodless version of it. Worked great except for one user choice problem. Although when I bought it it had orange trim and a reflective rear pocket ( I see the new one lacks it), it was in the era where I bought dark/ black stuff and as I’ve got older I’ve tended to buy more colourful stuff. I hadn’t used it for several years (maybe 5+ years) and when I got into gravel biking I thought it would be perfect so I dug it out and gave it a 30deg wash. All looked good until the end of the ride when I noticed the liner had started to disintegrate 
The jacket would have been about 19years old though so I couldn’t really complain
Dave Arthur went through it, and anything NOT shakedry does, as you point out, have 3 layers. There must be something in the not so environmentally friendly process that allows them to only do 2 layers.
That video confuses me, lol. Dude speculates based on nothing that it’s because of environmental impact that Gore won’t make it anymore…
Immediately after showing the statement from Goretex that basically says, “we actually plan to continue to use ShakeDry in our products indefinitely; however due to supply chain issues we’ve had to stop manufacturing it for the time being.”
He then spends the rest of the video talking about how ShakeDry has been discontinued…
The Gore Shakedry Statement. Gorewear says, “
Gore-Tex Shakedry is and will remain a central part of Gorewear product offering to serve the needs of endurance athletes in all weather conditions. Unfortunately, the Gore-Tex Shakedry technology is no longer offered by Gore Fabrics due to ongoing supply challenges, but we are excited about the Gore-Tex Shakedry technology and therefore did invest into our inventory position last year to ensure we can offer it until the current inventory runs out.”
He does say its confusing but to me it reads Gore-Tek shakedry will continue to be used until it runs out. I’m not sure where you are getting indefinitely from or resumption of manufacturing of shake dry. Gore I do believe intend to make waterproof jackets indefinitely and have produced a new material (EPE) to allow that. Which could allow a shake dry like jacket to resume but with EPE fabric, but they’ve been a bit non-comital there.
Yeah, all these articles are based on the same single statement by Gore, and nothing else really, other than clothing manufacturers saying they’re stopping using it because it won’t be available. Re: “indefinitely” - I inferred that from the first sentence of their statement:
“Gore-Tex Shakedry is and will remain a central part of Gorewear product offering”
EPE will unfortunately not be an equivalent product to ShakeDry - the breathability rating of EPE is only <13 RET, while is is <3 RET for ShakeDry. This means EPE is less breathable than even Paclite:
If ShakeDry is truly gone forever, the best Gore material will maybe be their “Infinium with persistent beading,” as this has mostly similar breathability to ShakeDry, while maintaining a persistent ability to avoid wetting out without the need for regular DWR coating.
Alternatively Castelli’s new proprietary material seems like it basically IS ShakeDry (though can’t find exact performance specs for it): Protection Cycling Men SLICKER PRO JACKET - Castelli Cycling
But it doesn’t say it’ remain indefinitely just that it’ll remain until it runs out 
Yes that’s probably the reason that they are being non comital to an eventual replacement for shake dry (if it does emerge), EPE isnt as good.
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I think the key takeaway from that statement is that they immediately stopped selling the fabric to 3rd party manufacturers but that they were continuing to use their stockpile in their own garments and it’s not in danger of running out any time soon. So the C5, C7 (now ‘Race’), and other ‘Gore’ brand shakedrys are still available for the indefinite future, but no more Rapha shakedry, Castelli Idro, 7mesh Oro, etc.
(I do wonder if ‘indefinite’ means they might still be surreptitiously manufacturing it for themselves only until they come up with a suitable replacement)
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Another vote for Spatz Pro 2 overshoes, or any of their overshoes.
I haven’t seen anything else like them in the market and every other overshoe looks pitiful now, absolutely useless in comparison. Don’t bother with anything else. They’re all twaddle. Mostly. But not as good.
You can put them under tights if you don’t like the high-up look.
To summarise, in no circumstance should you buy another overshoe. Except for artic fat biking. Or tropical river riding.
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I didn’t see much mention of gloves, so I thought I’d give a recommendation for PEdALED’s Odyssey waterproof gloves. I live on the Sea of Japan coast, and we get a lot of precipitation year round. I have worn the Odyssey gloves on multiple 2-4 hour rides, and they treat me well. Great at blocking the wind and rain. Relatively thin, but once my hands warm up from the effort they tend to stay warm.
One negative… one time on a ride I failed to notice my sleeve was underneath my glove. When my long sleeve got drenched, all the water ran down into my gloves and stayed there. Not a pleasant experience.
For gloves, I like neoprene gloves. Not fully waterproof of course, but they deal well with drizzle, and once they are soaked through, they keep the water inside warm.
I’ve also found neoprene overshoes with velcro at the back to have the best balance between dry, warm, and ease of use. Other fabrics might be more waterproof, but they often insulate worse, and I can never seem to find any that fit my (mtb) shoes, and also sit tight against my ankle.
In general, agree with some of the comments above - when it rains, you will get wet regardless of clothes. I just try to do rides that finish at my house, so I can get out of the wet stuff and into a warm shower quickly.
They have all the benefits you say and were invaluable to me 3 years ago when my hand circulation/ nerves were damaged by chemo. I tend not to use them now however due to one major drawback for me, they make your hands stink 
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Im going to be doing some digging based on the rec’s here. I have been a huge fan of the pearl izumi pro bibs and want to look at their amphib line. I also want to look at velocio, Q36.5, Primal, lecol, lapassion, and giordana. If there is any other brands that I need to consider please send them here!
I will also be looking into spatz for the gloves as I have heard good things along with the comments on here.
I got soaked today. Again. Like 3rd or 4th weekend in a row.
I have a ShakeDry, that works if you put it on early enough.
My feel are constantly drenched though. Was thinking about VeloToze or trying these Spatz things you guys recommend.
Any other dry feet recommendations?
Thanks
Can these things keep my feet dry for hours?
I have the silicon VeloToze and Spatzwear overshoes. The latter offer significantly better water protection.
However, there isn’t a watertight seal around the cleat. I don’t think any overshoe offers that. So, there can be ingress through that opening. I put tape over the few small holes on my soles until it’s continually warm; that helps. The Spatzwear will also help keep your feet warm if they do eventually get wet. Much more so than other brands because it’s fleece lined thick neoprene.
It’s the height of the Spatzwear overshoes and the lack of zippers that puts it above all the others, too, in terms of waterproofing.
I have to be going through lots of deeper puddles to get my feet wet in the Spatzwear overshoes. Even then, it takes a while.
I’m not savvy to any 100% waterproof boots or overshoes. Even with sealed winter boots, their tops are quite a lot lower which isn’t good for wet rides.
Ahhh. The great northwest!
The stuff that works for me.
Feet:
Here’s what’s in my closet:
https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/shop/deep-winter-overshoes/product/DWO04XXBLK
https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/shop/pro-team-winter-socks/product/PTK02XXBLW
Legs:
Upper body:
https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/shop/mens-pro-team-insulated-gore-tex-rain-jacket/product/AHF01XXDNW
https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/shop/mens-core-rain-jacket-ii/product/CRR03XXBLK
castelli-cycling.com summer base layer.
https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/shop/mens-explore-lightweight-vest/product/ELG01XXMBS
Hands and arms:
Gloves:
Specialized only because they work and discounted end of each season and you can wash them.
Arm warmers: Local bike shop branded. Cheap.
I have no brand preference. This is just the stuff I find that works. You will sweat a lot. Not breathable stuff.
If I’m going in a group and riding hard I’ll go with a vest. Rapha only because they have vest with pockets. Arm warmers so I can push them down.
There are times I’m in a light jersey and base layer with a heavier jacket I can unzip because once you get going and sweat and wet it largely doesn’t matter. As long as my hands and feet are dry and warm.
Good luck and see you out there.
I have the Rapha Deep Winter overshoes. I wear these over S-Works Ares shoes. They work until the water gets in through the holes in the bottom. I’ll start taping, thanks.
I have Fizik Artica R5 Winter shoes. As noted, these don’t have waterproof cuffs, so they fail after the water starts running down your tights into the shoe.
I have not worn the Rapha DW Overshoes over the Articas. Maybe this will work.
I’m going to buy the Spatz, and also Velotoze waterproof cuffs. Warm feet would make me really happy even if my pants were wet.
By the way I’m riding a full-fendered Rando-style Specialized Sequoia. The fenders make a huge difference in the rain.
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