Good point. He was talking about 1x with a dropper, which made me think that’s what the Grizl was designed for. But I see now they have 2x with high posts too. Geometry is nearly the same. I don’t really get why there are two models!
Only thing I see now is the $2000 Grail 7 (aluminum) weighs the same as the $3200 Grizl CF 8. So I guess the main difference is frame weight.
Why can’t you compare them? The components are the same, as all of them buy from Shimano/Sram etc. You can argue about frame quality, but that’s actually quite hard to quantify. I haven’t had any issues with my cheaper frames, but quite a few of my mates had issues (like problems with cable routing or wonky BB shells) with their big brand frames.
But if you’re happy to pay more for a bit of lettering on the downtube, go for it.
I personally do buy bikes with long standing reputations. Sure I might pay more but I can’t find myself spending x$ for some brand I never heard of.
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Believe he was negative on the one-bike to rule them all aspect of the bike, check the comment section for opposite opinion. I like the 3T Exploro RaceMax.
For an alternate point-of-view checkout this review:
Picked up this magazine while in Palm Springs earlier this year, they are positive about the road+gravel aspects of Exploro RaceMax:
One note: to run big tires on Exploro RaceMax you need to run 650b wheels. Someone posted above the config options, thats why I went Exploro over Aspero.
Anyways it is an option although US pricing starts at $4200. Aspero starts around $3000.
Makes sense. I’m all in for GRX 2x so Aspero has what I need. I think what it came down to primarily is my LBS is a Cervelo dealer. I haven’t bought a bike from them yet and really want to, since I like the shop a lot.
Giant seems to be competitive on price. Cannondale, Trek and Specialized aren’t really competitors. A setup similar to Canyon costs considerably more.
Disclaimer: European perspective.
You’re about right. Canyon and Giant usually win on bang for the buck. They’re also probably tops on general frame quality.
Since this thread is back from the dead: Fezzari Shafer definitely deserves a mention