Put yourself in the position of a new user. Should that information require searching a web forum, filing a support ticket, or trying to search for it in a podcast?
Its confusing to keep track of the differences between how outside workouts are considered by AI FTP and Adaptive Training. And the podcast excitement about outside workouts has been around for something like 18 months now.
When information about how a tool works is hidden, and you are surprised, how does that make you feel?
Yes TR supports outside training. However outside training has still not achieved parity with inside training, thru choices made by TR.
You raise a fair point about AI FTP detection, but I find the title of the thread to be disingenuous. That said, it worked, as I clicked on it!
I think that TR, even with all the bells and whistles out now and down the pipeline, is just self coaching software. Sometimes you have to trust in your own knowledge and history with training. I really do understand your criticism here, but basically you’re asking for:
not manually testing FTP outdoors (fair enough, as that was advertised? maybe?)
having TR use power data as opposed to RPE to push your progression levels with outdoor workouts.
Do I have that right?
If so, two very easy solutions while you wait for the software to improve for us mostly outdoor riders. You’ll decide if the rest of TR is worth it.
It is pretty simple, I think…if you do one of the scheduled workouts as an Outside workout, you will get credit for it in terms of AT.
But at this point, unstructured workouts, either indoor or outdoor, are not part of AT.
TR has been very consistent in this messaging, IMO…which is one of the reasons I don’t worry too much about AT at this point. I do too many outside group rides that do not get incorporated into AT, so once the outdoor season starts, I stop worrying about AT or PL.
@Power13 ,
I have been doing adaptive training XC marathon.
All workouts were structured.
I also used AI FTP detection when asked to do Ramp Tests.
The issue is not whether one gets credit or not and PL advancement (which one gets).
The issue is that with indoor structured workouts analysis is mainly done by AI and RPE is just a minor additive.
AI decides how well you achieved the desired training goals and thus adaptation is very precise.
With outdoor structured workouts your subjective RPE decides if and how well you passed with little to no AI involvement.
PLs are adjusted according to your chosen RPEs.
if you do one of the scheduled workouts as an Outside workout, you will get PL credit for it in terms of AT if you rate it a pass, even if you do 1 hour of recovery when the workout is 1 hour of vo2max. So be truthful about rating the workout.
That’s how it has been, but I’ll ask - is that still accurate or has it changed recently?
Pretty simple and straightforward, IMO. It’s not rocket science.
If you use RPE then you have to be honest and not boost your ego “ I did a 9.7 threshold workout”, “easy”.
My garmin 530 makes it very simple to follow, don’t know how wahoo works. I’m basically repeating what I said above. Feel like we’re beating a dead horse✌️
yes, but the issue we have with this post is TR has ben EXPLICIT that this is the case. Any comments that they have not been clear about this limitation for outdoor workouts is completely false. It’s been on the roadmap for a year. It’s been talked about ad nauseum in dozens of posts and covered in podcasts. I think perhaps you need to re-listen to them because you didn’t understand it the first time.
Explicit would be putting that info in the platform itself, and any linked support articles. Right? Stop people from having to search a forum, or listen for a 30 second clip in a 2 hour podcast.
As @WindWarrior stated correctly:
I don’t cut corners and whenever I use a new tool or software I always read and follow instructions to the letter.
After understanding (correctly or not) from the podcasts TR is as good for outside training I enrolled and followed the instructions to the letter when building my training and when executing.
Only when data didn’t make sense did I start to search and ask and was indeed answered by support to explain the current state as well as referred to support PDF documents online which explain it.
It surprised me.
I did question myself whether my own process of preparing before starting with a new tool was thorough enough and I think the number of documents online convinced me.
As for the forum, I had no idea the issue was discussed so much till only recently because it all seemed nothing short of me not doing something correct or a software glitch.
Everything else is explained so well when you enroll, build and practice.
I have a garmin 530 and find the graph on the garmin connect app. From there I click on the ride and it has more information inside, all types of analytics.
Click the yellow circled area…
Thanks! Never used the Connect app and the visual through the web interface was not totally clear until I found out what the two graphs were. I’m (almost) always in the range given by Garmin on my intervals, and often I’m very close to the target. I think the key is selecting where to do the intervals and avoid “chasing numbers”.
Nice!, I keep my power average for intervals at 10 seconds. I also try to get my RPE down, but check to see if I’m in the right area every now and then. So far it works!
This alone has me contemplating making the switch from Wahoo to Garmin for next year. I do 99% of my workouts outdoor during the summer and it drives me nuts that I cannot compare like this. Would be super nice if TR implemented something like this within the individual workout pages like it currently is for indoor workouts@SarahLaverty and @IvyAudrain
Just to clarify @Buckethead, are you asking that we show your completed workout compared to the power targets of the scheduled workout?
If so, I like this idea and it may help people reflect more accurately on the workout they completed! I will pass this onto the team for their consideration.
