Also, most of the UAE team now have jerseys with the trips built into them - which I thought went against the UCI rules (why Endura’s Drag2Zero SST Skinsuit got banned).
Frustratingly, you can’t buy anything like this.
ARTICLE 1.3.033 says that surface roughness less than 1mm is ok,
If you look in Pissei’s custom catalogue it looks like you can buy the UAE kit
PISSEI_CustomLab_Catalogue.pdf
Tagging @Rule28, who has been responsive in this thread.
There is, of course, a cynical viewpoint to the answer to this question…
The Aero Base Layer shouldn’t be used with any suit that already has a ribbed or textured sleeve. It’s almost guaranteed to actually make the suit perform worse. We found this in our own testing with several different suits.
We’ve seen a few exceptions to this like the level suit used by the NZ track team. This actually did test faster for them with the base layer, but as a general rule, if you can’t aero test it for yourself I wouldn’t use it with a textured sleeve suit.
Stick to a smooth armed suit or jersey and you will get good results. 
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Come back to us in a few months on this 
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Oh. 
Don’t tease me!
This is the closest, but it isn’t the same - nowhere near - this is more just like the normal ribbed fabric you get on most aero sleeves.
As mentioned, give it a few months and we’ll have something for you all.
I can tell you that there are some very good fabrics out there in the pro peloton. But they are expensive! The fabrics that we’re going to be using are 5-6x more expensive than what we have used before.
That’s the reason you’re not going to see these other brands offering you what the pros use - they don’t want to spend that much to manufacture kit.
We care about performance above everything else so that’s why we will.
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This is only 1/4 base layer if that 
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@Rule28 - While you’re here, any chance of a bright colored long sleeve aero jersey? Or is that something you’d do custom now?
Need something like this as obnoxiously bright as possible for the roads around here…
I have seen a few of the rule28 sponsored riders wearing something very very similar to the above pissei suit with the built in ribbing on the sleeves. I assume this is what will be available (hopefully soon) with an updated linup? ?
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Should one happen to have a relatively low threshold for ripping off / sending money to Aliexpress, $9 gets you a similar bit of cheap fabric. The trips are +/- the rule 28 rather than the faster layers.
It’s not a bad rip off, as rip offs go.
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What do you mean by that?
That other base layers are optimized for higher speeds? AFAIK rule 28 also has 2 versions for different speeds
Thought it was obvious sorry. I mean they are wider spaced not closer spaced to mimic the slower layers rather than the tt.
In defence of not feeling bad for buying a copy: nobody patented it, there are loads of western copies (nobody want to get up in arms about the Castelli Bolero? no?), the prices for these baselayers were a bit absurd compared to the fabric costs and there hadn’t been much movement in the price (I mean since when has Castelli undercut the market leader by 50%?) so I suspect anyone who was ever going to fork out £150 for a rule 28 probably already had.
In defence of buying the proper one: you can’t see aero chump - this has never seen a wind tunnel and you could just be buying an oversized man bra that makes you slower (but perhaps will make you faster due to the placebo effect?)
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My semi-regular reminder that the price of a product should not be based on the cost of the materials needed to produce it.
The price of a good should be based on what the market will bear or where the competition is.
Rule 28 brought an innovative product to the market. While I think it was absurdly priced (see my comments early in the thread), that has nothing to do with the cost of the material. Their challenge (which is faced by all companies who bring innovative products to the market) is how they deal with the subsequent price compression by “fast followers”.
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Your use of the modal verb should conflates basic keynsian economics with moral justness in a way that I don’t find super tasteful :-/.
What? If anything, it removes any “moral justness” because it is based solely on the premise of market value, not some pre-determined concept that a good’s value is based on some “flat rate” using the cost of its components.
If a company can charge an exorbitant amount of money for a product while having a very low COGS, that would eb perceived by many as being “immoral”, if anything.
Why you would take personal offense to my statement is beyond me as it had nothing to do with you personally.
Carry on.
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PE owned healthcare facilities agree with you.
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I think there is a pretty big difference between “for profit” healthcare and a consumer good, which is what was what I was referring to.
Not certain this board is the right place for a discussion on the morality of “for profit” healthcare, though.
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Honestly, a product like this costing that much makes sense. Think about how complicated aero testing is. There is a lot of r&d that goes into designing, testing and manufacturing a product like this.
This is a new product (to my knowledge anyways). Eventually all that knowledge becomes public and someone will release one for an affordable price.
I see there are some from china already. But with aero products like this, I’d wait until it’s independently tested.
I think bringing morality into the conversation makes no sense. This is a hobby item.
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