Actually he should have said, you “should not” simply not see color. Whitewashing everyone is not an effective approach to diversity and inclusion. One it de-values diversity. Two, acknowledging and celebrating color helps you actually acknowledge and respect your repressed feelings on the matter and then choose to try to be a better human. When you raise children, you don’t, or shouldn’t, correct them when they point out that someone is black or brown. No different with adults. Regardless, as you said, we’re off topic.
Yes it was and while Hernandez may have been confrontational after the race he didn’t throw the first punch. Just so I’m clear I don’t agree with anything that happened with this situation but do feel it needs to be discussed openly as it’s an issue in a lot of crits. Not to mention Legion being arguably the most well known crit team in the world I feel they should walk the walk. Also they should understand with fame and success comes scrutiny.
My comment about overlooking racism and what I am talking about had to do with a comment made here.
A post in this thread (not going to quote it and potentially start further argument but its further up in the feed) said that “we can’t overlook racism” and that “the cycling community is not immune from white supremacy”
This comment, while sounding maybe well intended, is absolutely counterproductive and does not help anyone. It simply brings bad blood into things. What if it is racism? Can’t prove it. What if it isn’t? You’ve now made it into a race issue when it wasn’t, and all that does is hurt everyone involved. Not to mention it makes people sick of hearing about race. Plus it clouds the real issue of whether or not the actions were right or wrong.
Unless it is blatant racism, these ugly accusations (even if only implied) and terrible comments about “white supremacy in cycling” (come on, why are we talking about white supremacy with this event???) are just poison.
Because a lot of people watch the videos and see an aggressive racing move by Hernandez followed by an unsafe and questionablely purposeful attempt by Cory to take Hernandez out.
Playing the victim comes from Legion’s tone deaf response on social media. Justin clearly threw the first punch. And this isn’t the first time Legion has been in the media for aggressive racing. But then they claim that they’re pulling out because they’re the victims of aggressiveness and unsafe racing when A, Justin was already suspended, and B, they were the source of some of that unsafe riding, and for sure involved in the scuffle after. It’s projection.
I don’t think anybody is assuming people are aggressive because of their race. They’re saying people are aggressive because there are countless videos showing they are aggressive.
Hearing about race when racist actions or words don’t exist is counterproductive to your intent.
YOU are assuming this about the other people. What does this say about you? How do you know the other people assume black people are more aggressive?
These people are simply talking about the event itself, and people are bringing race into it?
Huh? this is a forum and I am responding to a post another forum user made. Not sure what I need to separate? I specifically addressed that post.
As I said previously, talk about racism when it happens. Don’t make every event about race. Big difference.
In fact, this ENTIRE conversation has gone so far off topic and thats my exact point. We are discussing racism in bike racing when there is not ONE shred of evidence that racism exists in this case. If every time a black person is involved in a negative way we bring up racism it does nothing to help anyone, including other black people.
Good job skirting the issue.
Exists: Personal instagram videos and YouTube videos glorifying putting people in gutters and head butting people. Video of them in a post race altercation throwing punches.
Commenters in this thread: “I don’t like this aggressiveness in bike racing.”
You: “You’re racist for saying they’re aggressive because they’re black.”
I think your comments say more about your views than others. Again, projection much?
This is your takeaway? If you understand my comments as me telling people what they’re actually allowed to talk about Vs what SHOULD be talked about, then I don’t know what to say.
Sure thing friend.
Just another reminder to keep on topic and follow the forum guidelines (1, 2 & 3 specifically), please.
1. Be excellent to each other
2. Challenge the idea, don’t attack the person
3. Contribute Constructively
4. Don’t break the law
5. Keep it tidy
Framing everything through the lens of racism is counter-productive, naïve and belittles individuals.
@kurt.braeckel sorry brother, you deleted your post, now mine looks a little out of context
I’m not though, I responded to a comment made earlier that we MUST discuss race regarding this event. I acknowledged that nobody involved is making the accusation directly
All that said, I agree with you that there are racist people in the cycling world. And they aren’t just white. They are all races.
I think for the healing of everyone, we need to stop looking for racism where it may not exist.
I deleted it because I’m opting not to wade back in here. Didn’t get to it fast enough. 
Problem with this statement… When a tour guy turn violent against another tour rider OR the public, there is not the same calls for him to be suspended or calling them aggressive.
Smart man. It’s getting pretty deep in here
Honestly just because someone in this thread, not sure who or where brings it up doesn’t mean that it needs to be discussed in regards to this incident. It just distracts from the discussion of the physical nature of crit racing and how people conduct themselves after a race when they may have an be issue with said physicality. Now had anyone actually involved in that incident even brought up that racism was involved in THIS incident I would agree that it should be discussed in this thread. But that hasn’t happened So if we can’t stay on topic I would suggest @mcneese.chad close this thread or start a different thread on the topic of racism in Crit racing.
For clarity, I am keeping my involvement with these types of ‘hot topics’ to a minimum, like the reminders in the few posts I’ve made.
I am leaving them to Ivy and other TR reps to handle. I feel these are best handled by official TR people.
As a reminder, forum members can and should use the flagging tools in the forum for any post they see as problematic and not following the forum rules. This presents it for review and will be addressed by Ivy or others. It’s better to do this than take on the ‘keyboard warrior’ approach that we see a bit too often.
People need to look at their own activity here too, and I suggest taking a bit more time before responding to make sure they are following the forum guidelines.
Seems like that could be the case, but if you take the time to re-read the thread it would not lead to that conclusion. The conversation has been solely focussed on the incident, crit racing and Legion as a team.
You are confusing two thing…
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The incident between two teams. I dont think race had anything to do with the incident.
They were BOTH racing very aggressively and one got mad and start arguing and another person got even madder and threw punches. There is no innocent player here. One was the instigator another threw punches, then both threw punches. both got punished. -
The response. Cycling is not a soft sport. Cycling has contact and close calls. Incidents of this nature are probably more common that most of us realize. The question on race comes when a team of mostly minorities got call out for its racing style (extremely aggressive) and other teams do not get called for the same thing. It might not be a race thing, but I fin it curious that one of the few mostly POC lead teams is called out like that.
@Joelrivera they are getting called out because they (Legion) have posted several videos show themselves using aggressive tactics racing crits and now they are complaining about those same tactics being used on them. They can’t have it both ways.