Polarized Training vs. Sweet Spot (Dylan Johnson video)

We know, you said.

As a lot of people do SST in the 91 - 95% range I generally think of it as Sweet-spot as threshold (maybe wrongly, but I know what else I’m thinking in my head, the whole picture isn’t incorrect lol)
Where I have wrote sweet-spot above I really meant Threshold (generally low end rather than 95 - 105%) , I wrote SST to exclude the 95 - 105% range although one could be training there, so that is poor communication on my behalf. Also make more sense in the context of the topics title, although not 100% technically correct.

Re: Sweet-spot can’t be Polarised

I know not aimed at me but I see what you mean.

A small amount can be included, okay, guess you mean this doesn’t fit in because its not really desirable.

When I was being coached, my coach prescribed a polarised distribution of training, the sweet-spot range 86 - 95% was just accidental time accumulated in zone during long Z2 rides or crossing through zones in intervals and one SST session with <60 minutes TiZ every 21 - 28 days. The ended up with 5 - 10% in the Z2 (3 zone model) range.
I think even if you try to avoid Z2 like the plague (or CV-19), you still get more than enough in this range.

Intervals doesn’t just use the most recent FTP value. It definitely allows you to add new FTP’s without overwriting historic values.

My reading of the text below their heart rate zones graph, “Power and heart rate zones are taken from the most recent activity in the date range,” is that for the time in zones view you only get data based on one (most recent) set of zones. I’d be interested to know if I’m interpreting that incorrectly.

Hmm, you’re right. That’s interesting. I wonder if that just means the zone labels or if it reapplies the activity HR’s to your current zones

Finished my 14-day “trad base” aerobic training camp today. Long hours on the trainer, no off days (and only one bad day), but most importantly – no residual fatigue.

My calculated “fatigue” (ATL) is through the roof, but my body (and brain) tell a different story.
If I had the same analytic numbers doing SSB, I would definitely feel it.

Was good to get some big hours w/o feeling completely smashed. It’s twice the amount of time as SSB but there’s no fatigue/recovery management and I can transition back to normal life immediately after a ride (vs only eating and sleeping).

:muscle:

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That’s how I felt right after my 5 day volume block. Took two days to recover… then my legs let me know I had done a shit ton of volume. There’s definitely some inertia to doing that type of work.

Finishing up SSB HV2 (2 weeks remaining) and I find that I feel a lot better/fresher than doing the MV plans. I did TR traditional base MV 1, 2 and 3, two years ago. You couldn’t pay me to do that again, even though I did have good results. I much prefer the time commitment and mental relief of doing SSB over traditional.

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Lucky you to have the luxury of time…

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Meh. Wouldn’t call a mass-murdering pandemic a luxury. But whateves.

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:joy:, not afraid of histrionics. Notwithstanding lockdowns, many still don’t have such time. And the virtues of long and slow aren’t new news. “But whateves”

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Guess that’s why Sweet Spot was invented.

Good luck. :+1:t2:

Nice one!

Interested to know how you structured the block - any progression or just max volume non-stop?

:ok_hand:

You mean “fitness”.

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First few rides were experimenting to find my minimum effective dose for maximum aerobic training. Was also after volume so stuck to Z2/Endurance rides. Worked out to 3.5-4hrs for assumed best results.

Must have worked cuz I’ve got sooo many 2021 PRs! :laughing:

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ATL. Fixed.

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What % of FTP did you end up with for the Z2 rides?

If I follow the 70% of max HR rule I end up at around 60% of FTP. Don’t know if that’s high enough to get a proper stimulus.

Between 65-70% FTP/65% HRmax.

My bad day just barely squeaked into Z2 @ 57%/60% HRmax.

Thanks.

Looks like I need to work on my endurance to get the power up at low HR. Or increase my max HR :woozy_face:

Yup. It takes a while but it’s cool to see when it finally kicks in.

My strongest day (immediately after my weakest day) was 4:10 @ 70% FTP/68% HRmax.

I REALLY love/hate my trainer now!

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Can you expand on preferring SSBHV2 over MV?

I’m about to choose either SSBMV (plus a bit) or HV and can’t decide which?

Neither did he, but by all means let’s be dramatic about everyone’s verbatim

this. I’m working from home more than I did in office

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