Open Cycles (WI.DE. / U.P.) bike sizing - Do they just downsize?

Does anyone have saddle time on Open’s WI.DE. or U.P. gravel bikes? When comparing the geometry to my Niner RLT, Open’s sizing recommendation seems to downsize the frame.

I’m 6’0 with a 34" cycling inseam.

Open’s sizing chart places me firmly in their Large frame (5’10"-6’3"). If you look at the geometry numbers, a size Large Open is similar to a Niner size 56. But a 56 places me on the fringe of Niner’s recommendation (5’8"-6’0).

I’m currently riding a size 59 RLT which has similar geometry numbers of an XL Open. But Open recommends the XL for a (6’2"-6’8") rider! :dizzy_face:

Compared to Niner, Trek and a few other brands, it seems like Open recommends a smaller bike for the same size rider.

Open WIDE / UP owners: Did you follow Open’s sizing recommendation? Does this mean long stems and setback seatposts?

I am 6’ tall with a 33" inseam. I have a Large UP with zero setback and a 90mm stem for my fit. I have a friend who is also 6’ (I dont know his inseam) also on a Large with a 110 stem and zero setback.

I’m between 6’ and 6’1” and ended up going with an XL on my Open UP. While their sizing chart recommended a Large, when I compared the geometry to my 58cm Cervelo R3 (which I had been riding for 2-3 years) It was much closer to the XL of the Open Up. I’m using a zero setback seatpost, 100mm -6 degrees stem, and have 10cm of spacers under the stem. The only thing I don’t like about the XL vs if I had gone with the L is that I don’t have much seatpost showing.

Anyway, when choosing a new bike, I’d always favor going off of the fit (mainly stack and reach) of a current bike you are happy with rather than the fit chart of the manufacturer

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Just bear in mind the UP and Wi.De are different in geometry. The UP is lower and longer than the Wi.De. I ride a medium Wi.De. Fitting me on an UP would not have been easy - would require a short term and spacers.

All Open’s are designed around zero setback seatposts.

Yup, I’m aware of the slight differences in geometry between the UP and WIDE. I have the same sizing concern with both models. It sounds like Open is pushing for a traditional road fit where you use a long stem and might have some toe overlap. Not a fan of that kind fit.