That’s why I bought the Rockr Pod Lite. Dirt cheap too.
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My first reaction to the price was sticker shock, but a $300 increase over the base price really isn’t that bad* if you don’t already own a rocker system and want fore-aft movement. The Inside Ride E-Flex plus is $600, other rocker plates with fore-aft movement also appear to be in the $400-500 range.
The problem is really that the base price of the KICKR is so much higher than the budget options. It used to be a few hundred more for some more premium features, now it’s more than double and that’s really a tough sell before you even start talking about motion.
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And this is assuming that you are starting from scratch/in the market for a trainer.
Seemingly those who would be interested in this would probably already have a pain cave set up they invested in and don’t want to reinvest in another $1000+ trainer when they could just add a rocker plate for a fraction of that. I doubt there is a large group of people who are in the market for $1000+ niche trainers at this point unless their current set up is aging out.
This was probably a naive thought in hindsight but my hope was when Wahoo got their “second chance” and got their debts wiped off they would take a refreshing approach on their product line and pricing but 
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i’ve had the original cycleops hammer since 2017 and still see no major reason to replace it. i think there are always some folks who can get in on the indoor trainer thing, but i think counting on people to replace functioning products they own is a much bigger ask
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That’s it, right there. They priced it as a Premium vs. their previous KICKR, not as a reasonable premium vs. the market.
Realistically, I think the market cap for a premium trainer remains the same (~$1200)…that is where the Move likely should have been priced.
In a commodity market with massive price compression, it is almost impossible to move price points up the continuum. The high end usually remains the high end, but you get more / new features for those same prices. Asking a 25% premium is just not realistic, IME.
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Just one quick price comparison that might be one of the most relevant ones:
- Tacx Neo 2T = $1400 USD MSRP (currently on sale for $1000)
- Tacx Neo Motion Plates = $300 USD MSRP (currently on sale for $200)
- Combined Total = $1700 USD MSRP ($1200 with current sale)
vs - Wahoo Kickr Move = $1600 USD MSRP
This puts the most common top end trainers at pretty even footing for features & motion. The Tacx is a heckuva deal right now that potentially beats out the new Move, but even the more rigid Kickr V6 at $1300 USD.
For those with a trainer they like right now, this new Move doesn’t make much sense. Rocker plate options ($600 E-Flex in particular if they already have a Kickr or Core) likely are easier to implement at lower out of pocket cost. Other rocker options also make more sense if you want some real lean action, since both the new Move and Neo only offer a minimal amount of lean, especially compared to most rocker setups.
But for those either shopping a new trainer or planning to replace an aging trainer, the Move and Neo+Motion are worthy of consideration. Sure, I wish these integrated setups were less expensive but this is where it all has to start.
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I just watched Ray’s video. Watching him, and especially The Wife, on the trainer, there is actually more side to side movement than I expected, and I really like the idea of the fore/aft movement.
My only child is about to head off to college, and my wife and I are talking about downsizing and moving into a much smaller living space. The price is REALLY high, but I admit that if my OG Neo were to break, I would give this a serious look.
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I will add that I am disappointed in Wahoo (and us all here) for not immediately questioning the name…
- Move = Muv or Moov
Perhaps they decided to avoid the crossover to the Retül Müve bike?
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I almost posted yesterday that the War on Vowels appears to be over… 
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They can afford the extra letters with all that $$$ from the Zwift settlement 
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@Pbase Agreed - I find it appealing as well based on the video. I had been looking into a rocker but my basement ceilings are not ideal height wise when standing on the bike. However this would be perfect and the fact that it works with the Climb is great too versus the E-Flex which doesn’t.
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Even though I have a Kickr bike, which I got in the Zwift clear out a, and do like it I’m surprised there is a big enough market for it along with their higher end trainers given how good the Kickr core is.
I know that was in jest, but it actually fits their naming scheme. They only delete vowels from the base product name, not the modifier adjective. The base product name is in larger white letters while the adjective is smaller blue letters.
Elemnt Roam
Elemnt Bolt
Kickr Core
Kickr Move
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You missed it by that much…
- Kickr Rollr
I realize this is the exception to the rule, but funny none the less
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How do you like your pod lite? I can’t say I have any issues I need to solve with my setup, so investing an arm and a leg for nothing makes no sense, but $150 is definitely something I can consider to treat myself…
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Here is my old review summary, in a topic with comments to review from others as well.
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I love it. Simple and cheap. The only complication is figuring out how much air to put in the balls so you get the amount of rock you prefer. You’ll probably also want a riser for the front wheel. Note: I bought it after reading Chad’s review.
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I’m not sure full stop, that is nothing like the movement of being on a bike outside. People stop lapping up the marketing hype. It is a little bit like getting in and out of the saddle with poor control every second. Total BS.
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These motion solutions don’t have to be “exactly like outside” in order to be beneficial. There’s nothing correct or “like outside” about locking a bike into a vertical plane with no ability to move. Sure, that was the default for as long as there were bike trainers (excluding rollers of course and the few motion options Kinetic and Elite many years ago), but that doesn’t mean rigid was the right solution. It just happened to be easy and likely cheap when compared to these newer motion setups.
The new degrees of motion are mostly about giving some level of movement back to indoor setups, with increased comfort as the greatest benefit in the vast majority of cases. My test data from years ago simply confirmed what I and thousands of others experienced as we started making and using rocker plates many years ago. The polls I ran back then too, showed that most people want improved comfort over “simulation” as their primary reason for implementing any form of trainer motion.
I think it’s great that Wahoo has more firmly joined the group of large makers with these solutions. The presence spreads the concept of motion as a benefit at the very least. It lends some validity to what we have been sharing and may lead people to other solutions even if they don’t grab one from the larger trainer makers.
I may not like the particular angles of marketing speak, but that’s no different than any other part of this industry. Claims get made and the reality often falls short of that in one way or another. But that doesn’t invalidate the reality that these can and do make the indoor experience better for a lot of riders.
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Thanks @mcneese.chad & @Pbase for your input. Placed an order for a pod lite. Will update the other thread with my own thoughts as soon as it arrives.
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