Same here - Quarq spider on both my MTB and Road Bike. The power meter is definitely something I’d want to see more reviews on from GPLama, DCRainmaker and others, or more options first.
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That could have been a timing / release thing with respect to when SRAM gave info to the bike makers and how far along the development was at the time the SC was introduced.
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Considering the teasers we’ve seen already, it seems an updated Supercaliber is right around the corner, and I’d make an easy bet that the new model includes UDH.
Also, someone already found some mistakes in that SRAM search tool, so I’d take the results with a grain of salt at the moment.
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Same. I keep rolling with my 2001 RAV4 with 191k miles. Could I buy something better? Sure. But it does the job it needs to do and by continuing to drive it I can spend more on other things like bike upgrades that don’t make much sense
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Very well-put explanation, and my thoughts exactly as an ME (do we really need another one in this discussion?).
Re: weight:
Watch the competitive cyclist review video. They actually weigh the components (Derailleur, crankset, cassette) of old and new XX1 vs. XX SL. The difference was 40g or so heavier for the new groupset BUT that is without weighing the old XX1 with a hanger. So, they are about a wash in my mind. The new hanger design is so much smarter and the big jockey wheel might help with drivetrain loss but $2600 for the powermeter version is a bit strong.
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As peak torque points out; simply making the pully wheel the normal size & solid means there’s no way for a stick to get stuck in the ‘spokes’ in the first place.
They solved a non-problem.
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One review said approximately 100g lighter for the new SL.
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weird youtuberish over-reaction from him though IMO…
IIRC he thought it could be some sort of sprag clutch design that allows for the toothed portion of the wheel to rotate, it seems far simpler and far more likely that it is just a tolerance there between parts that allows the two pieces of rotate separately.
things still sometimes get caught in between the wheels and cage, regardless of the wheel having cutouts or being a solid disc.
in other words, i see it as SRAM solving a very very very rare problem, with no real downside, as part of a new set of ~features~ in an updated product. All very normal, which makes PTs reaction style nowadays so cringy.
Add in the fact that SRAM made that pulley larger, similar to the oversized pulley wheel trend, in order to improve efficiency with less chain link rotation from the larger diameter (vs older small diameter). So the larger wheel and goals for weight reduction lead to a larger spoked pulley which could lead to more stick risk. The 2-in-1 wheel solution seems smart to me with that difference and new (or greater?) risk in mind.
Jolanda Neff posted her Supercaliber with the new Eagle groupset on Instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CqDtX8OjMRM/?igshid=ZjE2NGZiNDQ=
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Thanks for sharing. Her bike looks pretty cool with the new group set. Looks like she does have a Quarq powermeter on it.
Can anyone tell if the Supercaliber itself is much different? At quick glance it looks like the Isostrut is the same as the current model. Can’t really tell if it has more travel or not.
I believe that is still the “old” 1st gen design.
Skip Hambini, he seems like a clown. But Peak Torque shouldn’t be so glibly dismissed with an emoticon. Unless you’re just an NPC that likes to download the latest firmware direct from the cycling media who mostly regurgitate marketing flapdoodle in their reviews.
Someone else posted that guy’s video and I watched it. I have zero interest in the groupset and am not even a MTB rider, but he presents a look at the groupset from a much different perspective than from what I’ve seen anywhere else.
It does look really snazzy though.
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Fair. But I distrust monetized YouTube videos significantly more than respected industry journalists.
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I would say that, as an engineer myself, PT’s reaction was knee jerky and overly negative. In fact I would even argue that the major items he said are issues, upon deeper reflection, probably aren’t - and a more thoughtful person would have refrained from posting such a “takedown” until they really took the time to understand the engineering behind it all.
He, like Hambini, get clicks and follows often from people seeking confirmation bias IMHO.
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I don’t think that Peak Torque guy is too monetized I’m looking at his page now and he’s hardly got that many subscribers.
respected industry journalists
Interesting. Maybe cycling media and journalist are all above board, I actually don’t know. I’d say for many industries like movie reviews, gaming reviews, automobile reviews, and a host of others that most people have zero trust of those in the industry.
Anyway, I apologize for the off topic. Maybe it’s the guys accent and fancy sounding words he used but I figured some would like a different view of the new hotness.
It’s a very neat innovation and I’m sure the Chinese copies will be affordable once they come out in 6 months 
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This isn’t what Peak Torque was saying. He is talking about how the derailleur is aligned. The derailleur is not aligned by the axle and it is up to the fame manufacturers to ensure that the flat sections of the dropout are perfectly perpendicular to the axis of the axle. This is tough for frame manufacturers to achieve who have a horrible track record of maintaining good tolerances.
Also, I know it’s been said, but every review that comes out on day one is paid and therefore biased and cannot be trusted. I really like the websites making reviews and I don’t mind that they make money but it’s helps if you understand that all those reviews are just paid advertisements.
It is aligned by the axle though. The frame isn’t aligning anything per se, it’s just sandwiched between the thru axle and derailleur mount assembly.
sram-eagle-transmission-hub-axle-interface-800x895.jpg (800×895) (bikerumor.com)
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different perspective =/= correct perspective.
It’s not attached to the frame at all. It’s attached to the thru-axle, essentially, which is much stronger than the frame.
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