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I disagree - the old workouts still exist in the library, and several people have fed back that they feel the plans containing those workouts work well for them … so why not let people keep using them, without having to go back and manually reassemble an old-style plan ? (even if new users are defaulted into the newer plans)

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No. That is only one of the reasons I want access to the other plans. I don’t want to have to spend 30 minutes here elaborating on all the reasons. To me the other plans seemes to be more thought throug, and more demanding.

How does that look to the user though? ‘Here is SSBI and SSBI - The shitty version, only pick this if you are set in your ways’. They already have the problem of people picking high volume when they “shouldn’t” or going to traditional base when no one follow through. Why have yet another “trap” option? Other than people that “don’t want to change” who is served by that assuming they believe their assertion that the new plan produces better results?

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So if you don’t agree with TRs expertise in making plans why are you paying them money?

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Doable if you have the right ftp :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I plan on following the new plans as best I can big but these are all brand new plans unless they have hundreds of employees testing them there is no real way to know Plan X is better than Plan Y.
I think the problem here is life stress like they say in the podcast the best plan is the one you will complete consistently. Reducing the workout stress will make completion more achievable but there will be those in the 75% percentile that are likely able to complete ‘old’ plans just fine.

So… this SHOULD not be a thing once everyone has adaptive training.
Now, this require trusting TR and their AI.
But thats not much different than trusting the current plan…

Anyways. Once we all have it, the plan will be different for everyone… I see that as a step fwd from current plans… But I could understand people who would not like that.
This people are probably the same people who think SSHV plans is for them…

I think you have missed the point why most people have requested access to the old plans. My take is that it has been requested as an interim measure until AT is available to all.

The current situation they are faced with is that the baseline new plans sound considerably easier than what they are currently able to achieve in the old plans, with no way to overcome this without manually choosing each workout. When AT is available to all this won’t be an issue as the plans will be adapted from the start to where they are currently at.

I can see their point.

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As John has said multiple times in this thread… Harder does not mean better/more effective.

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To be completely fair, there are plenty of people throughout the thread being very reasonable in their requests for more information about the updated plans. I don’t think anyone is asking that TR cease improving their product—rather, there is a non-trivial group of users who want evidence or data that the updated plans are actually an improvement over the old ones. Those are two very different things.

This depends on how you define “worse”. If TR’s goal is to increase overall compliance for the average user, then I’d say the updated plans are a tremendous improvement over the old ones. But if your goal is to maximize your own individual performance, and you’ve been handed a plan that now asks you to do less than you’ve been doing in the past, then I think it’s very fair to ask for evidence that the change will truly result in an improvement. It is very possible that some users’ training progressions will slow down with the new plans.

That’s the thing, though. I’m being told to trust that the new plans will produce better results. And I am totally cool with doing so, if (big if) someone can show me the data to back up the decision. This is what we’re all interested in—some evidence or data to show that the updated plans are more effective, not just easier to comply with.

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I am sure he would also say you won’t progress if all you do is Achievable workouts.

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@mcneese.chad @IvyAudrain

This is meant to be a joke but is there a way to have a word/phrase banned from a thread?

I would like to promote AT and Adaptive Training to be removed from this thread. It seems to be the only response to peoples concerns about the current plans and AT going public doesn’t have a publicly know hopeful launch date.

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I just updated and it seems a big improvement in general. However after the next rest week the level seems to drop a lot.

This week I have Spencer+2 vo2 max 7.7 (it was tough) and chicoma -3 as 6.8. Next week I have a rest week. The week after I get Sill threshold 3.3, thereafter Saddle Mountain vo2 max 4.4. The drop seems to be quite big.

Nor does easier mean better/more effective.

There’s an optimal training load/volume/intensity combination somewhere between zero weekly volume and infinite training volume. TR has shifted the location of this optimum. All we are asking (at least until AT comes into the picture), is to see some evidence that the new changes will actually move us closer to that optimum and not farther away from it.

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For better or worse, the new plans are part of AT.
The new plans are just a step in the transition…
Is hard to separate them…

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I’d bet they will probably address it on the podcast tomorrow, but we shall see.

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I don’t disagree that they are closely linked but to keep say “AT will fix that” when a select few have access to it without a planned date for the rest to have access is the problem.

It would be like saying you all have the ingredients to bake a cake but only a handful have electricity, but don’t worry if you want you can build your own fire.

If this was the plan all along. I would suggest adding the Workout Levels and Progression Levels, but then hold off on the plan changes until they could say unless we run into some unforeseen problems we plan on releasing AT in a month.

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Perfect analogy!

I feel so bummed knowing i am not part of the beta crew…

Are custom workouts calculating Workout Levels correctly?

Here’s one I created a while back. It sure was hard but I don’t think it was a 22.5 on a scale of 1-10ish.

edit: apologies for the name. I debated blurring it out but that might not help any TR staff finding the workout to look into it.

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FWIW in the first post of this thread Jonathan stated:

which I suppose could be interpreted as compliance. Or not.

Its a fair question. In the past couple years TR has updated certain workouts in the plans to improve the compliance of that one workout.

Now the entire plan has been updated, and in my own mind that was done to improve results and NOT for compliance. However from the beginning I felt the plans took a “work harder not smarter” strategy, so my personal bias and belief is they took one step towards working smarter not harder. Closer to the science I believe in.

I do think the next podcast or two should address the elephants in the room.

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