Moderate cadence torque riding

GCN has a new vid out today on torque training so I decided I’d write a post on something I’ve been doing for the last two months or so: moderate cadence torque training. Note that I am not referring to low cadence work, for which there are all sorts of articles, studies, arguments, posts, etc., generally referring to 5 minute grinding efforts at 50 or 60 rpm.

In a nutshell, I noticed that on the trainer that for any given ride, I tend to be around 100 rpm because it feels easier on my leg muscles, but easier doesn’t mean more effective or better training. To improve you need to be uncomfortable. Back in “the day” I always rode at 90 rpm while sitting on the mag trainer, so for all endurance/Z2 rides I increased the resistance on my kickr and dropped the cadence to 90; note that power stays within zone (I’m changing torque, not overall watts). I have also been doing two sweet spot rides at even higher resistance with cadence 80-85; again, though the torque is higher, I am staying in zone. If I were to pedal that resistance at 100 rpm I’d be well above threshold.

Despite being in the proper zones for Z2 and SS efforts, my legs are doing more work and they feel it. There is a significant difference in perceived exertion, effort, and focus. I haven’t seen much that analyzes torque physiology, but here is my theory: 1) increased torque means increased muscle fiber recruitment, which is a neurological effort; 2) the neurological recruitment of these additional muscle fibers, which don’t normally do this much (or any?) work during endurance/SS training, forces the cells to adapt to a) increased mechanical stress on the actin/myosin myofilaments, thus stimulating the production of actin/myosin for structural improvement, and b) increased ATP demand, which means increased respiration, energy production, and metabolism, which leads to development of related organelles, including but not limited to everyone’s favorite - mitochondria. In other words, while the first step of higher torque is neurological, that is merely a stepping stone that leads to increased cellular structural and metabolic adaptations for a given period of time in zone. Of course, there are limits regarding torque and cadence - if you’re doing a SS effort and you can only pedal at a given resistance for 5-10 minutes @ 60 rpm, you’re missing the point of the workout and need to increase your cadence and decrease the resistance so you can do repeats of 20+ minutes in zone.

Additional thought regarding endurance rides: many coaches point out the need for the long ride in order to get to the point where your slow twitch fibers are so tired that Type 2A contribute to the work, thus increasing their fatigue resistance. My zone 2 rides are 2.5 hours and I just don’t have it in me to sit on the trainer for 4+ hours. Maybe I don’t need to, if 2.5 hours with higher torque and thus increased muscle fiber recruitment brings in the additional fibers earlier than does longer, lower torque pedaling. I’m not performing muscle biopsies on my legs, but they are definitely more fatigued staying in zone at 90 rpm/higher torque than they are at 100 rpm/lower torque for 2.5 hours.

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This is dangerous thinking that can lead to injuries, over training, depression, etc. There are lots of high level coaches who preach that it’s important to make your easy rides easy (or even very easy).

I do agree with you though that as cyclists we need to be able to ride at lots of different cadence/torque levels.

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My app prescribes 5-10 minute @ 85-95% or 60-90s @130% low cadence blocks. They of course require quite a bit of attention, so I wouldn’t do 2.5h of z2 at low cadence, though my cadence at z2 has dropped quite a bit since doing these intervals

I’m not commenting about the advisability of low cadence high torque training one way or the other, but many years ago before lower gearing became available, every climb was low cadence high torque. The lowest gear on my road bikes 20+ years ago was a 39 ring and 24 cog, so 60 rpm wasn’t at all unusual on steeper climbs.

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I’ve got an old road bike I took out a couple times in 2024 summer. It’s 53/39 + 11-23. I’ve got pretty good W/kg output but on an increasing ramp from flat to 12% that only took about 100m, I experienced a “am I really out of gears already?” moment when I was still in the transition. :slight_smile:

Kolie Moore had a twist on this in a recent podcast that I have never heard any other coach say. He was suggesting that the hard days hard thing applies even more to elites. They need to do that 15-20+ hours of endurance and it needs to be easy, really easy and then they need a significant stimulus to improve because they are already so fit.

Most 8 hour per week amateurs will not ride their endurance at 50% of ftp. They will say it’s too slow or it’s junk miles.

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Not to knock GCN - because I think they do a decent job - and very much tongue in cheek really…

But I do wonder how many days there would need to be in a week, in order to fit in all of the “just once or twice per week” workouts they have described over the years? :thinking:

These low cadence drills can be done on the easy days

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100% agree easy rides should be easy - the uncomfortable rides are necessary to obtain stimulus that leads to adaptation above and beyond current fitness, which is then facilitated during easy rides and recovery. In my case, I take two days off every week, and I need more from my endurance rides; increased torque at a moderate (not low) cadence while staying in zone provides the extra bump I want while not draining me like a four hour ride would. Every 30 minutes I bump the resistance 1%, moving from the bottom of Z2 to the top of Z2 over 2.5 hours, and the last half hour is exactly what I want: you can feel tension and purpose in your quads as you pedal, but it isn’t discomfort like threshold, it’s just tension, presumably meaning I am getting muscle fibers involved that wouldn’t otherwise obtain this Z2 aerobic stimulus.

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I assume this kind of torque training is beneficial, but it’s not something I am (currently) doing - I am basically experimenting with torque as part of longer duration aerobic efforts (20-30 min SS and multi-hour Z2) to see if I can bring aerobic development to muscles fibers that don’t participate in lower torque pedaling, and staying in zone for this much time means moderate rather than low cadence.

The 90s @ 130% is on my itinerary for March, as I plan to incorporate bifurcated VO2 intervals: 1.5 minutes @ 100 RPM, get the HR up, then crank the resistance up and drop the cadence to 85 RPM and force the legs to pedal really hard.

How do you define Z2, because that math doesn’t add up.

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That’s how I felt last summer going up a one mile @ 15% climb in my 36x30. It sucked and made me realize torque had been missing from my training. Just… one… more… pedal stroke…

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By 1% I mean the resistance setting on the kickr, not 1% in terms of FTP. Z2 in terms of FTP I think of as 55 or 60% up to 75%.

I was gravel bike (30 front, 36 rear) adventuring on a loose quad/4x4 style access road up to a lookout/radio tower near the end of summer and the last km or so was absurdly steep. Similar last mile to what you describe, but the last ~300m averaged 18% with short sections hitting 25%. Making it to the top without stopping may have been the most “impressive” thing I’ve ever done on a bike.

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That still doesn’t work out….if the bottom of your Z2 is 200w, then adding 1% every half hour is only going to get you to 210W after 2.5 hours (technically a bit over, but trainers only work in whole numbers)

I used 200w for an easy number, but the idea checks out no matter what the bottom of your Z2 is.

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This topic has also been discussed in previous threads. Although generally when referring to torque or lower cadence drills, it’s lower than the 90rpm you’re talking about - eg in the 60-70 range.

The general conclusion from thread participants at the time - including some notable names in the world of cycling training - was that these kinds of drills fall in the marginal gains category, and there’s not really a lot of evidence to back up the claims that these drills “convert” fibers into slow twitch more than just doing drills at self selected cadence.

Having said that, if you are going to find yourself riding at 60-70 rpm in your normal riding, it’s good to practice with these drills. Eg if you ride MTB for example on steep terrain.

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Each 1% increment in resistance adds around 5-7 watts when I maintain 90 rpm.

I agree people have discussed low cadence/high torque training drills and it usually involves 5 minute durations (or thereabouts). I imagine this can be useful, but I don’t really have an opinion since I don’t do this kind of training. My focus is incorporating increased torque into standard training zones for longer aerobic efforts (20-30 minute SS and longer Z2).

Ultimately, how much torque one should use in a given training zone really comes down to what provides the best training stress and adaptation. Zones by themselves don’t account for this. Some people like to pedal in a zone at whatever cadence/torque feels easiest for that amount of watts, but I think that’s a mistake - one should pedal with whatever torque provides the best improvement, and the only way to know that is to experiment on yourself.

Yeah that’s spot on. Compared to lower torque on flat roads in big gears at the same wattage, long, steep climbs are a completely different animal. You can’t use any momentum to keep the effort going so you can’t let up for even a fraction of a second, it’s just constant torque, torque, torque and drains the **** out of your legs. Kinda love it though, if that makes sense.

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