Looking for Training Program Advice

Hey everyone,

Just chasing some recommendations to get to the next level in my performance.

I’m currently sitting around 5 W/kg with a ~380W FTP, and I’m aiming to push toward 5.5 W/kg so I can actually be competitive at XCO Nationals.

I’ve used TrainerRoad in the past, but eventually moved to Gemini + my own planning because TR felt more targeted toward time‑crunched riders. I’ve got ~2 hours Mon–Thurs, and then as much time as needed Fri–Sun, so I don’t really fall into the time-crunched category.

I know the obvious answer is “get a coach,” but honestly I’m not convinced the improvements are worth $200+ per month.

Would love to hear what’s worked for others trying to make that jump: training structure, volume, intensity distribution, or anything else that helped you break through a plateau.

Appreciate any help.

Consult with a coach.

Even if you end up using tr or running your own plan they can give guidance and direction. IMO worth it for an hour to go over training data as well as all the other stuff that goes into performance during racing.

Then you can use tr or whatever to layout the actual sessions

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I adapted the training plans in tr to the volume i was looking for in the plan builder and then set it to “aggressive". I now don’t get nearly as many fatigue warnings and have started to make substantial gains.

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The other thing which i found made a difference was to add strength training in. It helped with climbing on step gradients and worth big surges

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Thanks. Where did you get your strength training plans from? There is a lot of variety online :sweat_smile:

This is going to be a loooooong response​:sweat_smile:

To be honest i made it up myself based on some reading and listening to a combination of Dylan Johnson and various weight lifting channels. Jeff Nippard has a lot of content explaining the lifts as well as the science behind maximising the gains from gym work - but it’s tailored towards body builders and you have to out up with the constant ads for “macrofactor".

The goal:

The goal is to lift heavy weights, but you need to build up to it slowly. You can start in higher rep ranges, but longer term you want to be in the 6-8 range and approaching failure (unable to complete the lift) on the last rep.

Muscle targets:

Here are the exercises I use the most, in priority order.

  • Squat: Quad dominant. Glute, abs, back secondary. Needs good technique.
  • RDL: Hamstring and glute primary. Abs and back secondary (stabilisers) as they keep your spine neutral.
  • Leg press: Almost entirely quad, some glute activation.
  • Calf raises: Calves. (You can go surprisingly heavy on calf raises)
  • Hip thrust: Glutes
  • Bulgarian split squat: Primarily quad, but puts a significant amount of work into your stabilisers (glute medius, adductors, abductors) as it’s a single leg exercises. Hard to go REALLY heavy on this.

I then add a few upper body exercises depending on available time these include: bench press, row, lat pulldown, bicep curl, tricep pushdown. This is just about overall health and general strength, rather than targeted training.

You should select exercises based on what you need: for example the bularian is about helping me prevent a flare up of a hip/glute injury - you may not need it as an XCO rider as you move around much more on the bike.

The leg press is because my squat and RDL are limited by my core/back, where the leg press lets me really push my legs.

Rep ranges:

Each set is 6-8 reps. If i can do 8 reps in two sessions back to back i add weight and drop to 6 reps. I do 3 sets, per exercise with 1:30 rest between sets. I find that’s a good balance between intensity and rest (roughly 1:2 work:rest).

In TR - warmup sets shouldn’t be counted. So that set gets me 6 full body (squat + RDL) + 12 leg sets.

DOMS

A word of warning: after your first few sessions you’ll get DOMS for 2-3 days and, if you’re like me, it’ll be so bad walking is a struggle! You likely won’t be able to do on bike training in that timeframe.

Therefore, it’s best to add weight training in the off season or when you have a block of time where a drop in riding time is OK. This only lasted for the first 2-3 sessions in my experience.

Once you get over that initial DOMS period I’d recommend that you schedule an endurance day the day after a gym session. In my experience I struggled to push high intensity numbers the day after the gym.

You do get bad DOMS if you take a couple of weeks off. So bear that in mind and knock the weights back if you’ve taken a longer period off weight training.

Periodization:

Weight training should be periodized, just like on the bike training. I’ve found this works well for me:

  • Off season: Gym work 3x per week. Exploit the time to make gains.
  • Base season: Gym 2x per week. Steady gains throughout this period.
  • Training block: Maintenance mode. 1 session per week and dial the weight back slightly. If you’re making progress it should be slow and measured. Prioritise on the bike time.
  • Racing blocks: Need to be careful when you schedule gym time in. On bike time and recovery should be prioritised. I got this wrong at points in the crit season last year.

That’s everything I can think of at this point. There are loads of resources available online, but I wouldn’t necessarily use an off the peg “plan".

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You should try TR again. The switch to TR AI was a game changer. You can easily implement your own custom training plan without having to give up on features.

E. g. if you think that in the base phase 2 x sweet spot and 1 x threshold is the right mix of hard workouts, add the corresponding TR AI workouts for the duration of your choice and presto. I’d also suggest you simply accept that TR’s AI FTP might not agree with the number you have — as long as the workouts are right for you.

Not everyone needs a coach. You certainly don’t need one to select the next workout for you. Here are a few reasons why you may want one:

  • Selecting the right goals for the season and individual races, and finding ways to measure them (metrics).
  • Learning more about the sport and discipline, including things like race tactics, equipment, nutrition, etc.
  • Having someone you trust to tell you to take your foot off the gas or step on it.
  • Importantly, coaches are able to factor in things computers cannot. E. g. if you have a sick relative or child you need to care for, human coaches are able to account for that. Another super important one is motivation, a human coach might see that you are losing your drive and need a crazy full-gas ride that to an AI is completely counterproductive. And in terms of biological adaptations, it might be. But it might be essential to keep you going.
  • Trust is essential, if you and your coach don’t trust one another, you are just wasting both of your time and your money. The same holds for training platforms like TR. A lot of forum posts deal with people who override the suggestions TR AI makes (adding rides, not having enough rest and doing too much, changing FTPs to numbers they think is better, etc.), and are wondering why their training isn’t working out.
  • A coach will help you prioritize. You should add structured gym work — but only after nailing other, perhaps more important things.

Alternatives to getting a coach are (feel free to combine):

  • Use something like TR to automate busy work stuff. Yes, you could take out the training bible and do computations regarding your A, B and C races. But in my mind that’s like doing your books with one of those old-school calculators instead of a spreadsheet.
  • Joining a team and learning from team mates. Many teams have “older” guys hanging around who are happy to take a youngster under their wings.
  • Be a self-study. You can win Olympic gold medals this way. But you have to be willing to put the work in.
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Hire a coach.

Really appreciate the detailed response! I’ll give those recommendations a go.

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Great points, thanks. I’ll definitely them going forward :+1:

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Keep us posted on your journey. We have forum members who are coaches and from all sorts of walk of life. It’s a great resource and some of us would be interested.

PS One last thing: as far as I understand, some coaches and coaching companies have discounts for young, promising athletes.

But if you are in a club, you might get that for free. Back in Japan there is an American guy who some time back podiumed on TT nationals and among other things he coaches young talent for free. All they need to do is show up in the morning for old-school hill climb repeats and such.

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Thanks, I’ll definitely keep you posted.

I decided to go with a TR subscription. It looks interesting so far with all of the AI integrations. Have you found the AI FTP detection to be accurate? It’s suggesting my FTP is 392 watts now (a fair bit higher than the 380 I have), and estimating I can be at 410 in 1 month with less volume than I am doing now :sweat_smile:

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A lot of digital ink has been spilt on this forum about this. My advice is to separate AI FTP from your current conception of FTP, accept the value AI FTP has suggested and see how the workouts are. If the workouts are great, your AI FTP is set correctly.

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