Hi all, My understanding of studies into this is that to increase the number of mitochondria, you need to do 2+ hour rides at under 70% of MHR. Is there another way of achieving the same thing on shorter rides and if so how?

Why did you include three reputable sources in your post? I thought it was enough just to whine about something someone wrote in the past that got backlash in the forum :wink:

Because I am not a reputable source mysfelf :slight_smile: Basically, there are two things - what you should do and why something happens. The more I read from here and other sources training as a “idea” is extremely easy - do the highest volume you can, introduce some intensity. Do some moderate i…

[image] jarsson: do the highest volume you can, introduce some intensity. Do some moderate intensity and some high intensity and supplement it with long Z2 rides, rest a lot and eat a lot. No matter what training principle you apply, it always works the same. I just had to quote that, great s…

The reason that adaptation in ST plateaued was due to changes in recruitment. Other studies have shown that increasing duration beyond 2 hours at a constant intensity results in little if any further increase in mitochondria. In any case, it is clear that contrary to the OP’s original statement, y…

[image] Aplcr0331: I got scoffed at, mocked, and harrumphed for my “references” about the time required for these changes. For context: [image] 75min Z2 enough? Training I have been doing low volume plans and adding 2-3 75 minute Z2 rides on the “off” days. I this e…

[image] lebowskii98: I thought it was 3+ hours. I’m going to change my plan to just 15 mins 2-3 times a week instead of having a nice long ride on weekend. :wink: You’ll only need to devote 12 minutes, but you’ll have to go a lot harder than zone 2. [image] 75min Z2 enough? T…

[image] Bardia: Hi all, My understanding of studies into this is that to increase the number of mitochondria, you need to do 2+ hour rides at under 70% of MHR. Is there another way of achieving the same thing on shorter rides and if so how? @Bardia Welcome to the community! (I think) Almo…

I think I posted this in the other thread as well, but whenever someone asks ‘will X work?’ or is Y enough?’, the answer is almost always ‘for what and for whom?’ If you’re a pro with an FTP of 6w/kg then my (totally non scientific) thought is that 2hrs at 0.7IF is probably not going to drive much …

Mr. Dylan Johnson just showed off his monster base season with 30hr weeks. Apt for this thread. Cheers. H

Ouch. Over the top with the haymaker. I has sad

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You’ll only need to devote 12 minutes, but you’ll have to go a lot harder than zone 2.

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