What advanced analytics do you want? Something more like what WKO5 or Golden Cheetah offers?
Zwift 1 price increase in 5 years, Xert no price increases in 4 years Iāve been with them, half the price of TR.
Whilst Xert may not look as polished as TR (although the app has closed the gap, website needs work) the app has better functionality, it predicts your FTP based on performance not testing, considers outdoor workouts, zwift rides, races and adjusts your training plan adaptively taking these into account, workout designer miles better than TRā¦oh and half the price!
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Umm, are you arguing against @Nate_Pearson s position that legacy users will get all features?
If so, Iām not sure you are reflecting the majority of legacy users here. Some of us have been holding on for certain features for a long time based on their trust in the grandfathering scheme.
And having annual subscribers, and long term subscribers, rather than seasonal winter/one off users is a benefit to the company books of itself.
Of course everyoneās entitled to their own opinion, and yours in particular has credibility too.
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It was not my ask, I was just gathering what Iāve seen others ask for in the thread.
I was trying to get us back on track for what Nate actually asked as opposed to evaluations of his strength as a CEO and speculation on hypothetical future pricing policy that was never announced. I failed miserably 
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But we were promised legacy pricing. Doesnāt matter how much extra we get. We were promised legacy pricing for continuing to subscribe. If we broke that commitment we would have to resubscribe at the current market rate. Many of us didnāt leave even when we werenāt using the product based on that promise that @Nate_Pearson made. I didnāt ask for it, he gave it. It was a big selling point to me and a reason I stayed loyal. Going back on that promise would feel like a betrayal.
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No, not at all. That is TRās decision to make.
Iām just saying that I would not take the comments from this thread as reflective of the overall Legacy users. While I donāt know the actual numbers of those that are Legacy obviously, I feel pretty safe saying that those responding here are a small, but vocal minority of the overall group.
They could well be indicative of the larger group, or not. It is pretty easy to say āIf you break the promise, Iām outta hereā but how many will actually do it in practice? Iād be willing to bet less than 25% of those saying they would cancelā¦
It is like doing a large consumer research project and drawing conclusions based one focus groupā¦when you have many more still to conduct. Just not enough data to draw any conclusions at this point.
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Maybe some view it as a promise that they will leave if it is broken. I dont care if he changes pricing as it will still be what am I getting for my money. Price it too high and I wont stay on an annual basis regardless of features.
I get that, and KISS, but I think the analogies some of the posters are making donāt ring true - this isnāt MS Office.
Two different use cases doesnāt make for two different products.
And I will just lay this out there - does random training, when you feel like it, honestly make you faster?
You might merge some of the features under a single heading, or maybe alter what is currently plan builder to say āMy Goalā - could be a specific event, could be āgetting fasterā, could even be ālosing weightā, and that journey sometimes outputs a structured plan, sometimes it has self selected train now style options day to day.
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Yes it would. Iād leave. As I mentioned. @Nate_Pearson made a promise. For that I took his word and have held my side of the bargainā¦i.e continued to subscribe even when I havenāt been using the software. That commitment to ānever raise my priceā received my loyalty. Tr made that promise, I never asked for it or expected it. They made that promise not just to reward loyalty but to keep the revenue flowing outside of the āindoor seasonā It was probably a bad decisionā¦ But thatās on them.
I have no problem with them changing their mind and charging for extras. Financially itās probably the thing to do. Personally it would leave a bad taste in mouth and Iād leave on principal. Many others would do the sameā¦many others wouldnāt. Thatās the gamble they would have to take.
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Well said, I too kept my sub based on the promise, Iāve gone literally years without using at a stretch based on being rewarded for my loyalty.
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Zwift isnāt miles cheaper if youāre on a legacy price with TR - itās more expensive for me personally. $12/mo for TR and Ā£12.99/mo for Zwift.
Intervals predicts your FTP based on performance and is free - drawing a power curve for each ride and picking a point along it to estimate FTP from is not hard to do. Itās how Zwiftās ride FTP estimate works too. TR already draws your power curve and tells you if you have PRs etc along it, but why theyāve not chosen to use that as a trigger for an FTP update (or at least, a nudge to test) is a question for @Nate_Pearson since itās not hard - they must have decided not to do that for another reason (probably with the old plans it would have messed with the structure as they were designed with some level of gains baked into the progression).
Point on the adaptions in Xert is totally fair, but I think when TR is able to properly account for outdoor rides in your PLs itāll be good. I donāt know enough about how Xert does it but I understand its based on a physiological model whereas TRās is based on data? No idea which would technically better.
Workout creator - havenāt used the TR one since 2017 at least but I remember it being totally fine. Better than the Zwift one which I tried last year and is absolutely rubbish. However Iāve not felt the need to bother again given the size of TRās catalogue - never really struggled to find a ride that fit.
They canāt win unfortunately - when they keep stuff quiet on new feature dates etc. people on here go nutsā¦
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Maybe thatās part of the drawā¦ 
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I was talking about the current priceā¦ But I actually stand correctedā¦ Itās about the same price if you compare annual TR to monthly Zwift. My bad, Iāll amend my comment.
I made an analogy regarding MS Officeā¦ not because I think TR should be like that, but because that at least has a degree of clarity if the product is going to be bifurcated.
Personally, I think what you suggest is far better. Give TR a goal and let it decide how to help you achieve it.
Plan Builder was clearly a stepping stone towards AT, and not sure itās really that great (I have to play with it a LOT to get it to meet my requirements).
But some way of discovering my goal, when it is, how much time I have to train to achieve it and then just telling me what to do seems to be the basic premise of the whole offering. Basically, thatās what you would pay a coach or personal trainer for anyway.
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Ok understood and agreed - but Iām pretty sure he has a handle on that.
What are your requirements?
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I disagree. I very rarely come to the Forum unless I have a very specific need. When I heard what @Nate_Pearson said on the podcast, I came here to share my feelings/opinions. If he hadnāt said anything, I wouldnāt have bothered to log in to find out/argue, etc.
While I think the Forum can be useful, I doubt itās highly reflective of the majority of TR users.
I worked for 20 years in tech comms. Iāve never known a CEO to share as much as Nate does. Iām not saying itās good or bad, but itās certainly unique. Iām very glad heās so passionate, but Iām not sure he has done himself any favours this time.
It would be interesting to know what drives people to sign up for TR and what makes them stay. I doubt itās this kind of stuff.
Thanks everyone for all of this. I love discussing TR with everyone and I always learn more and understand our athletes better.
The REALLY passionate people are passionate because they are invested and thatās a good thing. I am sorry that bringing up the discussion has made a few people feel like we have betrayed them. I didnāt want that to happen.
But all in all I feel like I understand our athletes better than I did a week ago. I am grateful for that.
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TR: CEO askās individual users what their requirements are, and genuinely tries to help
Other training company software: Customers plead for years for basics (Zwift calendars for events/races, decent UI ā¦ and so much more) and we get crickets.
Nate, Chad and Amber are very much draw cards for me with TR.
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