Yeah, curious to see how it works for me. I really like the workout scoring for compliance; they did a nice job with that. Some of the endurance rides, where you’re into tempo and SS, maybe seem unnecessarilly hard, but if they’re calculating TSS in the background, I can see them wanting more ‘bang for their buck’.
How is it on increasing the number and duration of intervals?
You get harder endurance rides when you availability is lower
I’ve done this several times and the app definitely recognizes that you did more work (TSS, time in zone, etc). Note that you’ll see a lower compliance score when you do this, but don’t let it stop you. On the other hand, I haven’t “super settled” a workout so significantly that it made following workouts easier, except one day when I did a four-hour endurance ride instead of the 2-hour ride it prescribed - it gave me a rest day the next day.
I’m on the stamina plan which is more of a base phase 12 weeks. I had 4 x 10 tempo this week and next week is 3x 16 tempo/ threshold over/unders. The other workout have been 40/20s in a long ride or 5x 3 Vo2, I’m not expecting much progress for vo2 during this plan. The rest of the rides have been intensive endurance or something similar.
I add or remove/skip intervals once in a while. I also tack on Z2 stuff to the beginning/end. Join recognizes that I did that and adjusts my plan as needed just like if i was to zero out a day’s availability.
If you tack time on to a scheduled workout, do you you still mark it as having done the suggested workout? My memory of TR is that if you do their scheduled workout, but add more, you don’t get “credit” for the extra.
Your workout score will be lower but JOIN will take into account the extra time and adjust your plan
I do mark it as doing the suggested workout. I get “Credit” in the sense that Join sees what was assigned and what I actually did (So, for example, it may have planned a 15 min warm up and cool down, but I did 30 for each, so at the end of the ride, it would show “Z2 expected: 30, Z2 completed: 60”), so it knows I added that volume.
When you use the shuffle workout option, will the shorter duration workouts be matched for TSS, or is it on you to match the duration?
How it decides on an alternative I don’t know, but I wouldn’t put any further thought into it - what it shuffles to it should still consider a good choice for you to do.
Does Join have a Base plan? Is that the same as the Winter Plan? Has anyone done it? What do the workouts and progression look like (eg all Z2, some sweet spot, etc)?
Not sure what their winter plans involve, you should shoot their support a message. They aren’t the quickest with replying, but they sent me in the right direction. I’m on the stamina builder plan right now it’s basically been tempo, sweet spot, or threshold, with short VO2 max work…
Last week I had 4 x 10 tempo this week was 3 x 15 threshold, felt like a big jump in intensity but I handled it well. I also went off the plan a little bit, so that’s probably why they gave me a little more intensity.
Good question. I’m interested in the answer too. I’d also like to know if they have a plan that’s a decent VO2 block.
It sounds like they consider “Stamina Builder” their base plan…or at least that’s my interpretation. https://youtu.be/T_Tz_wF8kmQ?si=xctkTYi_mDQbWhWl
Re: JOIN support not being the quickest - I’ve found them fast enough and helpful. I found a bug in the workout player where it didn’t work with the KICKR BIKE. Rohan had a developer jump into the support ticket who had me send some Bluetooth information, the developer identified the issue, offered to add me to the beta so I could get the fix faster, fixed the issue, and I got it yesterday. Took about 6 days, or 4 days without the weekend. Great experience.
Same experience. Had a question about (double recorded, Zwift and Garmin) workouts not showing up. Had a same day response.
Not sure if you asked them, but I feel like the “improve short climbs” would have predominantly Vo2 focus.
I’m on the 6th week of “improve short climbs”, ~11h in 5 sessions per week, and besides the endurance workouts I had/have:
w1: Sweetspot/Tempo OU, Increasing time sprints, Strenght intervals
w2: long sprints, increasing intensity threshold
w3: 10-50s + Tempo, Tempo, Increasing time VO2máx
w4: short low cadence threshold, OU VO2máx
w5: 30-15s, 3x15m threshold, Tempo
w6: Strenght intervals, 4x5m VO2máx, VO2máx pyramids
hope it helps
Thanks to you both!
Wow @Joao_Pinho - that’s intense. How many weeks is the plan?
I have this week left in the LSRF and then need to pick a new plan. I’m trying to decide if I should move to something with more intensity until January because I’ve got lots of family stuff and travel/time off the bike coming up, so might want to start to work a little harder when I can…or, just stick with LSRF until Jan.
I live where summer gets HOT and lasts 6 months or more, so I think I’m going to reverse myself this year and do base in summer and harder stuff while the temps are cooler.