Yes, this is what I do with en edge 530.
Start the workout, then go to settings on the edge, and change the control mode from power to something else. I set it to slope mode with a gradient that works for the intervals and gears I want to use.
The biggest problem is that every new interval puts it back into erg mode. I think some people edit the workout in TP (before sending it to the garmin) to change that, but tbh if I have a workout where that is annoying (Ronstadt 30/15s, for example), I just don’t load the Join workout. I just look at what I’m supposed to do, set a gradient and start pedalling, the same as if I was doing it outdoors.
It’s more that it when you ask “why this workout” Join tells me I get a strength workout because I haven’t done strength in over 21 days. While in fact I have done a gym strength training the day before. It doesn’t recognize that. So if “It’s been a while since you’ve done strength” is the only motivation for Join to give that specific workout, then maybe there is a better alternative if I have in fact done strength that very week.
I don’t have knowledge in the area but I’ll ask the question: Are they equivalent things for the purposes of a training plan? Strength on bike vs the strength workout done in the gym?
Hmm, that’s pretty flawed. I had a strength workout recorded on my Garmin which had elapsed time of 1 hour, garmin had 15 mins of total work time. Added the workout to training plan and an hour was included in my weekly time of 10 hours and Join had then adjusted next weeks time down by the hour. Thanks, removed it now and won’t add them again.
I mean, there is definitely an argument to be made for specificity of strength on the bike. And I do like Join, I just think they should tweak this element a bit. Not really a biggie, I just mark the strength training workout planned by Join as done even though I just did a Endurance ride.
Kolie Moore had said many times that gym work (8-20 reps, 2-5 sets, so 16-100 total reps) is the only true strength work. Riding at 60 rpm for an hour is 3600 reps, so it is endurance not strength. You can’t do the same weight (intensity) for so many reps. And if you did the weight that you can do for so many reps, then doing only a few is basically meaningless.
Weight lifting is analogous to sprinting and low cadence work is analogous to hiking. They are not going to have the same effect. Join should not treat them the same. And you shouldn’t either.
Also, there’s no way for Join to know what muscles you used in the gym. Were you doing upper body, core, legs, etc.
Push the workout to your Garmin. Turn on Kickr. Fire up the Wahoo app and set to standard mode (I use level 3 with ftp around 270). Quit the Wahoo app. Start spinning and start the workout on your Garmin, just like outside.
The strength training example is the a problem with all of the apps designed to track training. There are other things that contribute to fatigue that the apps either don’t consider at all, or make some very rough assumptions about. I can’t see that changing anytime soon.
As a practical approach, if abother activity leads to enough fatigue to affect training the next day, I’d suggest either swapping the workout manually every time, or to “plan a ride” for that day. You can then still do a workout, or just go for an endurance ride, and Join will take the metrics of that ride into account for further updates. But it will stop it from assigning hard workouts to days where you know you won’t be able to do them.
I think this is worth pondering and going deeper either to correct a deficiency or to improve one’s knowledge….why doesn’t Join prescribe long Vo2/Suprathreshold intervals?
What’s your guys take?. Where can we ask this directly?
Join goes by ranges and not a set intensity (103% for 5 minutes) for erg users unless you’re using a workout player.
One example is their 4x5 workout at 95-105% threshold, I would think if you feel fresh, try to hit the top of the range and if not at least stay within that range…
For me, I try to hit the top of the range if it’s a shorter interval, if it’s longer I try to stay in the middle of that range. At least that’s how I interpret their workouts.
This is the same duration as the workout when availability was set to 1:30 - it didn’t use the extra 15 minutes of availability.
I did 6x 1 because I really didn’t feel like doing 25 minutes of low cadence work, even though the 1-minute intervals were at 130%, and added 10 minutes to the end of my ride. All good.
Join doesn’t have nearly as big a workout library as TR. They likely don’t have a 1:45 equivalent. But it’s pretty trivial to just do some extra low intensity like you did
Same here! When using TR I would frequently extend the warmup beyond 10-15 minutes. I also ride stupid early during the week, so probably needed the time to actually wake up.
Hypothetically speaking, say someone (definitely not me ) made the same mistake as you, how does one fix it?
My lines are messed up because of certain running activities sprinkled in, yet when I go into the details of these running activities the custom field doesn’t even show.
It uses the ranges when you use your wahoo/garmin to control the trainer in ERG mode?
I haven’t done a JOIN workout indoors nor never used my roam to control my kickr but using training peaks to export the workout into trainer road the workout looked brutal (TR rated it sweetspot 7.6 whereas my current level is only 2.1) but at the lower end of the range given in JOIN it looks doable
If I ever use erg mode using the join workout player, it has the power set in the middle of the range of whatever zone you’re working in. I never use erg via my head unit either.
I don’t know how it works using TrainerRoad, I’m honestly trying to not use TR, even for their workout player. Sorry I’m not much help, maybe someone else knows more than I do about what you’re asking.
) made the same mistake as you, how does one fix it?
