Haha. I thought about sending that question in
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I asked about running, if it’s still on track and will be part of the existing app.
I plan on watching and yes hopefully it’s in English for some of the questions.
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Yesterday I did my kettlebell practice/training session:
- recorded in Strong app on my iPhone
- Strong synced to Health database
- RunGap grabbed from Health and synced to Garmin Connect, TrainingPeaks, and Strava
- all good so far, here it is in Connect:
- Join synced with Garmin Connect and I ended up with a
5 sec5-min workout on Join:
Weird.
Dismissed and manually added.
Anyone else have an issue like this?
I have not seen a discrepancy like that. I just did a strength workout and then saw this post, so I can’t show an example.
I also think it’s minutes and not seconds;
hours : minutes, but yes that seems strange.
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Yes, looked at the manually entered and the Connect synced one was 5-min in Join.
I had my profile set to Intermediate, because I realistically only expect to ride 6-9 hours per week. I bumped it up to Advanced and will let you know what happens.
Part of my issue with few VO2 workouts could be my crazy work travel schedule. I’ve only had 3-4 weeks without any travel all year, so hitting even 9 hours / week is a stretch sometimes.
In a previous post I mentioned that JOIN thinks my FTP has gone up 2 watts whereas TR AI FTP Detection thinks it is down 11 watts. While I seem to be able to do threshold workouts ok, riding in high endurance the last two days definitely had my heart rate and RPE higher than what it was two months ago for the same effort, so I’d say my FTP has decreased. I’m not surprised by this given a 9-day mid season break, reducing hours (new job, travel), and relatively little VO2.
Just trying to gather as much info as possible so I can make an informed decision on which platform to use come January. I plan to keep using JOIN until 1 Oct, then will switch to the FasCat 10-Week Weight Lifting Plan. Will be looking for a plan / platform for 1 Jan. I don’t race and any events I do are for the experience / to finish, so the day-to-day flexibility that JOIN offers may be the selling point, as long as my fitness doesn’t tank too much. It sure would be nice to see what the baseline / notional plans look like, though.
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I think AI ftp only works accurately once you complete a TrainerRoad workout indoors. I thought I heard it takes outside rides into account but then you need the TrainerRoad workout for a more “accurate” number.
I’ve tried asking about it in another post but no one replied even after tagging some TR employees…
Join will increase your estimated FTP also with ctl/training load. I’d treat the estimate with caution.
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- Current implementation requires 10 inside TR workouts to create a foundation for AIFTPD. After that, it uses all the data apparently.
- https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/4415864080155-How-to-Use-AI-FTP-Detection
What AI FTP Detection Needs to Detect Your FTP
In order for AI FTP Detection to have enough data to accurately detect your FTP, you need a minimum of 10 completed TrainerRoad indoor workouts. If you haven’t completed enough workouts, don’t stress—you’ll see how many more you need when you click the button to use the feature. Once you’ve completed these 10 workouts, AI FTP Detection will analyze and incorporate all indoor and outdoor rides with power data, whether or not they’re TrainerRoad workouts.
For the best results, AI FTP Detection also requires an accurate weight and date of birth in your Account Settings. Please verify yours are entered correctly!
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Thank you!
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I’ve got mine set to Intermediate. Last week I put in an event on Sept 16 and its got 11 hours/week for the next 3 weeks leading up to the event:
No low-cadence strength workouts, and I’m getting vo2 workouts.
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@ChefAcB yes. Since my TR subscription is good through Jan, I’ve been creating the JOIN workouts in Workout Creator and running them from TR when cycling indoors, which is most of the time for me. The TR App is still the best workout player, IMHO.
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Why use Workout Creator? If I was you, then my flow would be to export from Join to TrainingPeaks (free), and then TR pulls from TP.
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Just curious…which plan are you on again?
It’s odd when it comes to the future casting of weeks. I had 7, 9, 11 hour weeks b2b, and the future looked like that too. It would then go something like 8, 10, 12…but then I took a multi day vacation in Vegas (Huge fun, but no riding) which gave me a 2 hour week. So, it was predicting multiple 4 hour weeks in the future…but now that I’ve done workouts on Monday and Tuesday, it’s showing five 9 hour weeks in a row. I’m guessing that after I show it I’m regular again, it will start to show more structured growth. I admit I haven’t fully figured this part out yet. I really wish I could tell it when I have vacation planned and see a better forecast.
No idea on the plan, or what I entered. Vaguely recall telling it “72 mile gravel event with 6000’ climbing” or something like that.
Poked around and finally found it:
3 rounding errors LOL, I told it Sept 16 and 72 miles and 6000’
This morning I did this:
2-min jobbers around 110% actual. Had some traffic issues on the first and last so I tossed in another late one, and a shorter one before some short/sharp accelerations on overpasses.
While on a work call I thought “about 16-minutes” upper threshold or lower zone5. Not a vo2max workout with 4-min recovery valleys.
And then selected a similar workout in the app, because I like to break things (?!):
because I reasoned 15-min is roughly 16-min. Roughly.
No surprise I got a 5.1 workout compliance score:
Prolly should have entered it as a manual ride 
Join does a good job adapting to life interfering with my plans 
Maybe I know myself too well, and am happy with tracking CTL and using the WKO/Garmin analytics. Just seems easier to pick some of these workouts based on experience.
This was a short-ish interval strength workout, Garmin agrees and “This activity enhanced your ability to maintain a moderate pace for a longer amount of time. It increased your high aerobic training load.” while maintaining glycolytic system and impacting aerobic. WKO gave it 18-minutes above relative vo2max of 85%.
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@rkoswald what @WindWarrior said, just export to TP, TR will pull the workouts in, no need to do additional work (Training peaks free account is good enough)
Yeah … I tried that when that feature was first announced years ago and I don’t like it for a number of reasons, most of which are related to me having a small (ok … large) amount of OCD.
- Workouts imported this way cannot be deleted or further modified (at least not that I’ve ever found).
- JOIN workouts have no warm up or cool down. I really like TR’s ability to extend a warm up or cool down, but the app need an interval at 50% or less (default value, which can be changed, but see the previous bullet). My old(ish) body needs a good 10-15 minutes to warm up in a ramp, and sometimes I have more time to bike than the specific workout calls for, so I extend the cool down, neither of which could be done without adding small warm up and cool down intervals.
- I’ll make other changes to remove some of the wonkiness between long intervals
For example, here is tomorrow’s workout “Pacing Intervals” and how I slightly modified it.
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I understand your position, ironically I’m also ocd about a “workout player” and that led me away from TR 
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Those low cadence one kinda hurt. Afterwards I mean. Quads were kinda sore after turning my 46/11 over at 60 rpm the other day .
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