Issue of male domestiques in women's gravel races

It can’t really be any worse than the current US crit scene. Essentially, where one large professional team wins a majority of the races, against soccer dads.

Unless the organizers write down these rules… urgently, we’re going to see gravel turn into another ‘who has the biggest team’ cycling event.

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As an ex-pro once said, “They gave me all this grief in the news for cheating and winning…what about the guys who cheated and lost? They didn’t get any grief at all. What the fuck is going on with that?” :laughing:

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Isn’t Danielson’s fundamental punchingbag problem that he got caught twice and still proclaims his innocence?

Interestingly, he got caught by the same 2nd level test that caught Compton.

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In fairness, and though I’m a fan of his podcast and more open/honest demeanor these days, Lance will also tell you he’s not being punished for doping. He’s being punished for intentionally attacking people and ruining careers when challenged.

EDIT: To be clear, I also think his statement and your post make GREAT points. However, I think there is a bit more nuance as to why he’s ostracized these days.

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Not even close to the same thing…I’ll just leave it at that.

SMH.

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Why does that make you laugh? From the article:

Cameron has been out as a transgender woman for two decades, and has raced at a high level in both the men’s and women’s fields.”

That’s not a woman using male domestiques to better her position in the race field. Number of examples in this thread about how some elite women’s husbands domestique for them in races.

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And whatever ignorance lets you think discrimination is OK.

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Please stop and gain some empathy. I have a gender nonconforming child, and honestly you have no idea about anything you speak of. It’s easy to criticize until it’s your own child wanting to be with who they see as their peers

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I’m all for it, let a team of Male domestique’s pull women to the end. Its fair game across the board for all women and anyone can do it.

I honestly think this would make the sport and women race even more interesting and fun to watch (I love all women racing, I think its much better then male).

Think of the huge market for “semi” pros that didn’t quite make it at the pro level but would rock at this level.

They don’t need the help. Plenty of bad ass ladies out there will form a break using their own pacing and tactics :muscle:

::Edited for oversimplification… there was a lady3 involved :rofl: :rofl:

No disagreement there! Like I said, I watch more female racing then male, its a lot more competitive and just better sport.

I just think until rules are further established to let the women have a male team pull them around, can you imagine a sprint train at the end of the race with a group of fresh badass ladies hammering it out!?!?!

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There may be a discussion to be had about the fairness of transgender women in competition but I really fail to see how it is relevant to the topic of this thread?

There was one here: Transgender participation in sport - #162 by palmerneill

Not disagreeing that some of the posts above sounded a bit transphobic…

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A specific race with all male domestiques and women racers would be a cool spectacle. It would interesting to see a more obviously differentiated “protected rider” and maybe show people who aren’t avid watchers of road racing how the strategies work.

The specific and very valid criticism of such an event is that women are therefore dependent on men in order to complete.

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But if only the women could win, it would be interesting. I would consider it a spectacle, not a major road race added to the calendar.

As the one who flagged the comments, I agree…I am absolutely intolerant of intolerance.

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you’re not here for an honest discussion, you come out of the woodwork after nearly a year with a transphobic agenda. fact is, you’re not going to change my mind and folks like power13 and myself aren’t going to change yours, so let’s drop it, there’s no honest discussion to be had

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But based on what I have read, the majority of women don’t want such an event…they want to race on their own merits and not have to depend on men to help them succeed.

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If you look earlier in the thread, I don’t enjoy men being a part of women’s races, I was spitballing that an exhibition race featuring a mixed field could be interesting. And until gravel organizers clamp down on the mixing of fields, we are going to continue to see women get assistance from male teammates. I was spitballing that maybe there could be a specific race designed for that to happen purposely, and then get rid of it for everything else.

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