Workout Levels aren’t manually created. They are calculated using a formula derived from machine learning, incorporating subjective factors like repetition, interval length, and recovery time.
The inconsistencies mentioned in this thread are cases that require a TR admin to refresh the Workout Level to fix it. This will no longer happen once Workout Levels V2 is released.
I did “James” the other night and it struck me as being poorly rated and a good bit harder than other endurance workouts that have harder or similar workout levels assigned.
James is a flat 85min at 74% with no variation and is rated 5.1. Compare Andrews at 5.4, which does go marginally harder to 75% for some of its length but has substantially longer stretches at around 70%. Brasstown is rated 5.2 but is also easier to complete. Having recently done James, I’d rather do Andrews or Brasstown any day of the week and feel that James is rated too low and my gut would say that it’s more like 5.6. Certainly I would have thought it’d be the hardest 90min endurance workout you could do while still calling it “endurance” and not tempo or sweet spot
@DanielRHolt @torhovland Thanks for the heads up! We’ll review those workouts you mentioned.
Regarding Robinson & Robinson +2:
Robinson’s main set is 5% lower and 5min shorter than Robinson +2’s, and Robinson +2 also has less time at cool down intensities. This may not seem like all that much, but +5% at such a long duration makes Robinson +2 notably more difficult.
For Neblina, we’ll get those differing indoor/outdoor ratings sorted!
And as for higher level endurance workouts, we will be continually building out our workout library based on demand.
Feel free to let me know if you run into anything else!
I think others have brought these up - but I think these progressions don’t make sense related to each other
I can almost talk myself in to Phoenix -3 being easier than Brasstown - although I’m not sure I agree - but at a minimum the gap should be smaller. However, James definitely seems incorrectly sorted
| Duration | Name | TSS | IF | kJ | PL |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4:00 | Longfellow | 180 | 0.67 | 2525 | 8.1 |
| 4:15 | Putuo | 189 | 0.67 | 2708 | 8.3 |
| 4:30 | Gasherbrum | 201 | 0.67 | 2874 | 8.6 |
| 4:45 | Kailash | 211 | 0.67 | 3028 | 8.8 |
| 5:00 | Mianzimu | 222 | 0.67 | 3184 | 9.1 |
| 5:30 | Neblina | 242 | 0.66 | 3484 | 8.3 |
| 6:00 | Bandeira | 262 | 0.66 | 3792 | 8.7 |
| 6:00 | Cuyama | 278 | 0.68 | 3895 | 9.5 |
Here, Neblina and Bandeira seem misplaced with their PL. And if not (because lower IF 0.66), then at least there is one missing workout for 5:30 with IF 0.67, PL 9.3 or something for smoother PL increments.
Of course, body does not care what PL Neblina has but for planning purposes would be nice not to drop down to Achievable workout 
The maximum differences between all 4 rides are 3.8 to 4.3.
Is that really going to make a difference to anything.
Maybe they should all have the same PL but really does it matter enough to post about.
Obviously I thought it did. I was scheduled to do Black and noticed that Pioneer -3 looked like slightly more effort. Seemed on topic.
Not sure if I’ve just had a bad day @IvyAudrain but I found Renoso (Anaerobic 6.5) impossible with it’s 6x 20s @498W and 10s recoveries.
Striped -4 (Anaerobic 6.8) last week on the other hand only felt moderate to hard. So one of them seems a bit off?
