Yeah. Very likely, but I have also seen riders run the equivalent of 8 hours a week at normalized power equal to ftp (basically near 800 TSS).
I was totally picking on jonathan for either missing this or not commenting on the insane TSS level (love ya Jonathan, but that was an ‘ooomph’).
I don’t think 848 TSS is way too high for most pro riders. It might be high for a recovery week but, the data I’ve seen over the years doesn’t support this claim. 850 TSS wouldn’t even be a 20 hour week.
I’d love to see some data!
It definitely wasn’t the case for me. That’s way too high.
You’re the one posting 848 TSS. Where’s the data backing that up?
Here’s a screen shot from a long week I did last fall. 54 year old male. Amateur regular joe.
A couple local pro riders (Brandon McNulty and Former pro Eric Marcotte) routinely blew ^^^ out of the water. I mean not even close…
Lol…he only posted that because @Jonathan brought it up.
So he he/she has no clue. Great.
I don’t think you are reading/understanding. I never claimed that TSS. I don’t have any data to back that up so not sure where Jonathan got that as a 6 week average.
I think the question is 848TSS from 6hrs riding.
Certainly 800+ TSS is far from uncommon on its own.
Im not sure how it adds to the discussion that you did a 17 hour, 850 TSS for one week last year, especially since your CTL was only 84. And id bet that was an event while we are talking training.
You never corrected him…and that was the main point of his argument 
It could be as simple as duplicate rides being recorded in TR’s calendar. It’s happened to me several times.
Seems we should probably just let it go? Forum rules and all?
The 848 was 6 week average not from one ride.
I don’t really have a dog in the fight, but it looks like he said he was riding 5-6hrs per week.
That’s all I meant
I don’t think it’s a big deal, it’s just an indication he hadn’t updated his FTP for a while prior to that Ramp Test.
Yeah apologies it really doesn’t. Was trying to illustrate I don’t think 848 6 week average would be too high for pro riders so yeah one week doesn’t say anything. So, including the week I screen shot the previous five were: 497, 770, 601, 685 and 939. This was mostly base for el Tour which was the next week so no events in the 6 weeks. After el Tour I started a plan for a race about 12 weeks later. 6 week average still relatively high but took a hit through Christmas. I stand by statement that I don’t think 800+ is high for a pro. Again from what I’ve seen and from what I can do as an old guy and from other amateurs I know who ride much more than me.
@mailman understand. Yeah not updating ftp will skew tss in a big way…
I don’t think we are that far off in our views. The missing piece is that if you go through the training rides of a typical amatur, they often put up 70+ hourly TSS and even a nice, slow ride targeting 60% of FTP (slower than most are comfortable riding) usually includes 10 or 15 min at or above FTP: A stop sign acceleration here or there, some hills, overtaking a rider… This ends up being a 50 to 60 TSS per hour effort.
Look through pro rider training rides (Mattieu van der poel is a great one to watch on Strava) and they pull 3 hour rides at 50% to 60% of FTP, but they usually target under one minute per hour at or over FTP. This nets 25 to 35 TSS per hour, or under 100 total TSS on a 3 hour training ride. Their harder efforts don’t go much over FTP either and typically include short blocks totalling under 30 min near FTP on a single ride.
16 weeks is enough to see real gains. 10% can definitely be beaten, though it is very difficult to forecast this type of improvement.
If nothing else, I’d guess you’ll test a little better next time just by having practiced the 20 min TT, and from being familiar with the protocol.
You really won’t get improvement in your FTP from the core work, though