Cyclist Sir Chris Hoy announces his cancer is terminal

I’ve known a couple of people who have reached Stage 4 Prostate Cancer….based on their cases and from speaking with a urologist that I played golf with a few times, it seems that once diagnosed w/ Stage 4, the general life expectancy is 3-4 years (obviously each case is different).

There are several very effective treatments that can shrink the cancer and then hold it at bay for a decent amount of time. But at some point, the cancer finds its way around the treatment and starts to spread again. At that point, there is not much that can be done.

One of those that I knew (a co-worker, great guy) went just about right in 4 years. The other, a very good riding buddy, is coming up on 4 years soon. So far, so good…his markers have been good and he has been riding with us the whole time. In fact, he was supposed to do Unbound with us, but for his meniscus about 6 weeks out.

But we all know that time is running out for him….the stress he begins to feel as he goes for his checkups is pretty tough because he knows at one of them, they are going to tell him that has spread again. The guy is tough as nails, though…about 12 years ago, he had a widow maker and survived. He came back from that just as strong as ever (and he could lay down some BIG watts).

So in case anyone still hasn’t gotten the hint, get checked regularly. Peeing in a cup is no big deal and caught early, prostate cancer is very treatable. (Edit - blood test, not urine test. My bad) The finger exam is no longer recommend, so you don’t have to worry about that (and even if it was, it is very quick…no big deal).

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Stage 4 cancer is terminal, but yet, so is life, and the Nile (denial) is a long wide river.

It is in metastasis, it is and has actively spread through his body. He has, to use an analogy, popup fires all over his body. The primary was his prostate, and prostate cancer has a known target list when it does spread, and he ticks all the boxes.

Why he can say it’s not terminal is baffling. It’s like stave jobs, who up until the last months of his life denied he had pancreatic CA and that it was killing him. He even denied, in his case, procedures that could have prolonged his life. But, hey, it’s Chris Hoy’s life, and if he wants to tell people what he knows to be false because it makes him feel better, well I can understand that, to a point. The number of men dying of prostate cancer has completely blown me away. Sure, having had (hopefully gone) it sure brings it into focus for me. Dying from prostate cancer is avoidable, IF IT’S CAUGHT IN TIME!! GET tested!! FOLLOW UP on the results!! DON’T downplay this!! It will kill you, IF you let it.

Prostate cancer killis in ignorance. Save yourself…

I don’t disagree with the getting yourself checked message. A riding friend of mine had a ‘well man’ check and he was between and old and new threshold for PSA and had his prostate removed and then it started coming back and thankfully he’s clear now. His oncologist said 6-12 months later and it would have been a different story.

But he point is after it’s out of the box, it’s terminal. Trying to fight it in the prostate means removing it, but once it’s in the brain, bones, other organs, it’s ‘game over’. The time you might have left is truly limited. I, my wife, and several doctors we know looked at options, and possible treatments, like breast cancer (and there are some gene tailored treatments that are showing promise for breast CA patients) but nothing, so far, has shown anything like that for prostate cancer. There were a couple of trials, but none of them moved the needle, apparently one did the opposite. Like pancreatic CA, there may be no way to control it, let alone eradicate it. My heart ached reading the original article. Such a tragedy, and what his wife is going through adds to it. Wow… I can’t imagine…

But I do remember where I was the first time I ‘got the call’. ‘We think you have cancer.’ :hushed: :flushed: :face_with_spiral_eyes:

I’m glad my ‘medical team’, and wife, pushed this. What I was looking at was a short one-way street with a familiar ending for those physicians. Now at least the street looks a whole lot longer.

Ride on!!

(Peeing in a cup? Is that a new test? The MRI is the new recommended test I was told)

Sorry…meant “blood test”. I got it mixed up.

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No worries, just wanted to keep it correct.

And Phil Lesh survived prostate cancer, and even bladder cancer! Wow…

But you can only have an opportunity to survive it IF YOU KNOW IT’S THERE.

Prostate cancer has several newer treatments that can extend survival for a really long time in the metastatic setting, especially in healthy patients. It’s not curable, but it’s become closer to chronic disease where many men die with prostate cancer, rather than due to prostate cancer.

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No offense, but it’s playing with a loaded gun, a primed bomb. The guy whose physician said ‘Oh, you can wait on that for a couple of years’ should sue that ass, and be able to kick him in the berries! Neither of my urologists mentioned any treatment that ‘extends survival’ in a metastatic condition. Cancer’s number one thing is to spread, so hearing how many men popped into stage 4 for waiting, I feel a lot more comfortable with the decision to take it out. I felt rushed at the time, but I could have been looking at definite 3 to 5 years rather than possibly 10 to 15 years. But then I’m not a gambling person. I can’t even imagine the feelings of the guy I wrote about upstream finding out he shouldn’t have waited. And hoping that some new therapy can stop metastasis is just too risky. You can do that, not me (pre-op). steve jobs thought he had ‘the cure’ for his pancreatic cancer, and obviously didn’t. And Steve McQueen thought he found a cure, or way to live longer, and it was a scam.

A ‘fiend’ of mine told me of some concoction that was guaranteed to ‘kill’ my cancer. Yeah, right. I’m trying to keep this fact based.

I’m not sure exactly what you took from my comment, but I’m not advocating for delaying surgery/treatment or any alternative therapies. For prostate cancer that is not diagnosed until it’s already metastatic (as it seemed like Sir Hoy’s was), combinations of surgery, radiation, bone-directed therapy and new drugs (abiraterone, enzalutamide, Provenge) can push survival to a decade plus.

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How has everyone coped with proctectomies (erections, sex quality, cycling quality etc)? Anything you would say to a younger person likely to develop it?
I’m 33 so likely too young but also getting to the age where early detection would be possible. My dad and two uncles had it. One died.

@ Alexander_Hardy Hopefully you don’t have it developing. One of my physicians said that it’s believed that prostate cancer can start in the 30’s, or earlier, but the quantity and type determines the lethality. They also said that it’s not exactly true that there are two different types, they can both spread and once outside the prostate can be hard to deal with. I never thought that I’d end up with it, but it does seem to be an eventuality for the majority of men. I’m shocked now to hear of so many men that have had it, have died from it, and have never had it at all. (Lucky guys!) Get tested (and establishing that trend graph) is the most important part of dealing with it. I get a yearly physical and they do a PSA as part of it. I’m surprised how many men don’t get physicals. Ignorance is not bliss…

Keep an eye on your PSA levels. Looking at the trending levels is what got my docs attention. Do not rely on ‘the finger’ for a diagnostic tool. If it’s warranted, get an MRI. That is becoming THE test to replace the finger, and even ultrasounds. My MRI showed ‘changes’ consistent with possible cancer, so the next visit was a biopsy. It’s a shot in the dark, because they could miss potential cancer, but they take so many samples, the chances of missing it are kinda small IMO.

But I guess the best thing to start is to get an annual PSA test. If it’s high, have them do the other tests that try to suss out how likely it might be a real number (there are two types of tests. One is usually processed ‘in-house’ and one was always sent out at my local hospital), and follow up with your doctor(s). Some men have been found to have elevated PSA results and already have metastasized cancer, and sadly some have ‘normal’ results and still have cancer too, although I think that is very rare. Pre-op, they had me do a PET scan to verify that I wasn’t already more advanced. (Kinda scary) Also If surgery is warranted, look for a younger and robotic surgery trained surgeon. The one I found did a fellowship in robotic surgery and had a lot of experience doing it. He’s got videos showing his process, and travels to train and lecture other urologists on proper technique. There are single port and multi-port types of robotic surgery also. There doesn’t seem to be much of a difference in outcomes to either method, but most men prefer single port. (It’s the number of incisions they cut to introduce the tools for the system during surgery)

Prostate surgery has made leaps and bounds improvement over the past 10 years or so. Originally it was done ‘old school’ through the belly, and then rectally too. (It’s in an awkward place)

Why robotic? It allows fine incisions and is easier to identify nerves that should be saved. With that procedure being a rather brutal operation**, having all of the help to save those nerves is priceless. (As for post-op ED, as the nerves reattach/recover/rediscover, you will feel what feels like vibrations ‘down there’ which is a really odd feeling. (After I started riding again, they went away) My surgeon says that it may come back, but I may have interrupted the recovery too. For young men that want to make sure they can procreate, collection of semen would be vital, as the seminal vesicles and end of the vas deferens are removed with the prostate. There might be ways to get sperm post-op but I never asked.

But younger men don’t need to panic, but should follow up on more testing if indicated and not put it off. Unlike other organs, the prostate does not exist in a capsule, so any cancer can spread through a wide variety of ways, and usually spread to bones and the brain first but can hit a lot of areas spread out in the body eventually. The sooner it’s identified and addressed, the better chance of a continued life and better quality of life.

RISKS As with any procedure there are risks. Among the risks are total urinary incontinence, bladder leaks or blow outs, separation of the urethra (it’s cut to get the prostate out), infection, bowel perforation, post-op abdominal wall rupture (hernia), narrowing of the urethra as it heals, sloughing of the bladder plugging up the urethra, lifelong ED, etc; but if it all goes well and it hadn’t spread pre-op, you are cancer free, which feels pretty damn good…

** They go through the abdominal wall into the bladder, then core out the bottom of the bladder to expose the prostate. Then it is cut away from the urethra, and its then stitched back together, with the surgeon closing everything as they go back out. Urinary incontinence is common as the patient has a foley catheter for at least a month, and sometimes longer. It’s to allow the bladder to heal with no pressure inside. The tubing relaxes the valve at the bottom of the bladder, and through ‘bladder retraining’, you can get most, if not all of it back. I still leak occasionally when I have increased abdominal pressure like coughing, laughing, etc. It’s gotten better over time. Pre-op I was having minor leakage, so I’m happy it’s better.

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Here’s a video that explains muti-port surgery. It’s a quick one and animated. It skips the first part of the procedure, but isn’t too bad on the whole.

And WARNING FOR THE FAINT OF HEART, Here is an actual procedure video, this is a REAL operation filmed for educational purposes for practicing urologists. You have been warned… (Here it is)

I feel for his wife…as the husband of another MS Warrior, I can only imagine the fear and uncertainty she is facing as she looks t the future.

I wish them both all the best.

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Like all us Scotsmen :wink:

Chris is a wonderful guy like you say.

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