When I started riding, almost everybody road Campagnolo. Some young kids went down the path of Dura Ace. Later, I used to feel unique being one of a handful of Campagnolo riders around town. Shimano parts were always kind of ugly to me. Sram - homely. Now, Shimano looks better - space age and dark colored. Campagnolo looks pretty much the same.
It’s never appealed to me personally, but I guess there’s something to having a vintage looking guitar that isn’t so expensive or fragile that you have to really worry about it.
That said, it’s impossible to really recreate the wear that accumulates over time so to my eyes relic jobs just end up looking wrong in an uncanny valley sort of way.
Similarly, everyone’s favorite Shimano crank is the 7800 version, or sometimes the 9000 version. The thing is, when 7800 came out, people said this looks as ugly as sin, they should have stuck with the 7400 crank, or perhaps I could barely tolerate the 7700 crank.
Is it fair to criticize how things look? Tastes do change over time.
I’m still running the crank on my trainer bike with a 9 spd drivetrain…I actually even used it on the same frame when I briefly had it set up as a dedicated TT rig and was running 10 spd.
I’m a Campag fan, and now is the first time in a long while I don’t currently have a bike with one of their groupsets. I can’t afford this, but I was excited by it, in the hope - but not necessarily expectation - that it might trickle down to Chorus level.
Thoughts, in no particular order:
I actually quite like the looks, though why the logo/lettering isn’t copper like the new Boras I don’t know, and it’s a missed opportunity
I’m not fussed about the ratios either way.
I knew it would be expensive but my god, it’s expensive
no thumb shifter. Massive miss IMO and probably a deal breaker for me. The irony is the thumb shifter actually makes way more sense on an electronic drivetrain
The off button is a good idea, though surely you just remove the batteries to achieve the same thing…??
I get that patents probably prevented interchangeable batteries but SRAM have a huge advantage here. I’ve also read that a pair of spare batteries is over $400 (yes, really)
if the shifting really is a bit rough under power (as per the Escape CC review) that’s a problem
Other, random musings:
I think there’s a real danger Campagnolo could p1ss off just about everyone with this approach if it’s going to be the norm going forward. Their traditionalists won’t like it but I can’t see younger racers going for it either
I am more motivated now to buy Chorus 12 (or Record 11 if I can find NOS) while I still can
the collective consensus among those I’ve talked to is that this is the work of the younger generation at Campag, who have very different ideas for the future of the brand (and not, IMO, good ones)
do Campag see a future for mechanical after 2023? Word is, possibly not. I hope that’s wrong.
I think most companies dont see a future in creating/innovating mechanical groupsets…
I think in 5 years we will probably see a 11 speed mechanical group set from Shimano on Claris MAYBE… but i would be willing to bet that even Tiagra will move to electronic sooner rather than later.
It seems to me that the challenge going forward with 12+ mechanical is going to be the ability to run through an integrated frame design while maintaining enough precision to work with ever-tightening tolerances on the cassette.
I don’t know that there is a workable solution there….I’m guessing Campag is well aware of the challenges many have had running there 12 spd systems through integrated bars / frames. It will only get worse industry continues to drive towards more cogs in the back.
In order for it to work, I think at least one of a few things needs to happen (maybe more):
New hub design that moves past current standards and opens more space for a cassette.
New cable design that in inherent,y more flexible, but still offers sufficient resistance to compression (opposing design forces)
Acceptance that mechanical stops at 12 cogs
The death of integrated systems (yes, please)
The loss of high-performance mechanical systems will be a loss for consumers, IMO. While the trend is overwhelmingly towards electronic, there is still market opportunity for mechanical and it would serve as a way to keep prices lower as bikes become more and more outrageously expensive.
There is a certain irony here, however, as most economic laws tell us that electronics become cheaper as they reach scale……but we haven’t seen that in cycling. Perhaps the scale simply isn’t such that it can achieve those price reductions, I don’t know.