Calorie Science the new "fad diet" to hate?

I was actually thinking of the whole 30 plants thing today, and started making a mental note…

Just today…

Rice
Chili peppers
Green bell pepper
Shishito peppers
Wheat
Olives (oil…)
Garlic
Peanut
Soy
Kidney bean
Cannelini bean
Parsley
Celery
Onion
Carrot
Fennel
Red potato
Tomato
Arugula
Cucumber

I’m sure i’m missing something…but that’s 20, 30 doesnt seem hard for a whole week…

Edit: Just remembered black pepper berries, corn, and strawberries :joy:

Edit edit: And mustard seed. And hell i’ve got a couple hours still haha

Editx3: chocolate, that counts! Oh coffee too. I’m pretty sure I’m actually over 30 for the day :joy:

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Honestly, I think starting from the other end is way easier.

The first choice should be that you’re going to stop eating McDonalds, and cook at home. Everything else falls in line after that…at least to a large degree

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I think the 30 thing is funny. I’m pretty sure there are lots of bars out there with 6 kinds of seeds 3 fruits 3 grains and some spices, so there’s 15 in a bar. Sooo healthy :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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Ok, who the F is Diary of a CEO? Just some tech / business bro that made a few bucks and decided to be a podcaster?

I had never heard of him before but was surprised to see that he actually gets some names on his podcast and has 5M followers. I just can’t stand all the click bait titles. I’m not willing to sort through them just to find a good interview.

And n=1 this is why calorie counting has worked for me. At the start, it was really just portion control, and then my diet has gradually evolved as I learnt and made choices. And my palate adjusted.

Regardless of the overall approach that works for someone, I really can’t see immediate very significant changes being sustainable or even necessary.

I’m really not a believer in excluding foods or food groups, but regardless whether we believe a calorie is a calorie in the overall scheme of a diet, I think we can agree that processed foods are tasty as f*ck. And you can take my relatively infrequent treats from my cold dead hands!

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Why are we the only animal on earth that needs this varied diet?

8.7 different species of animal and the vast majority of them literally eat the same thing the entire time and are totally fine.

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Panda bears only eat bamboo shoots, they’re hardly an advert for healthy living.

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Maybe, but the change from no home cooked meals to 100% home cooked meals is a pretty massive switch that would overwhelm a lot of people. It’s probably easier to slowly phase it out by doing breakfast at home or something, then lunch, then dinner (or whichever order).

It’s highly likely that the person who is eating out for all of their meals isn’t comfortable in a kitchen or even the produce section of the grocery store. So making that switch is more than just the extra 15 minutes at home to make oatmeal and a turkey sandwich before work.

Serious question…what do people actually eat if they dont cook at home??

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I’ve always wondered the same thing, especially families with parents that “don’t cook.” I always feel like crap after only eating out for 2-4 days when I travel for work, even though I skip dessert and pick the healthier choices. I can’t imagine eating like that always.

Yea same…I just dont get it. I mean I guess there are people that must eat at McDonalds 3 times a day all week…

There is a lot of education and experience surrounding food and diet choices that we received from our own upbringings.

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You see those people pushing around carts at the grocery store filled with frozen foods, pizzas, soda, chips, top ramen, cereal, maybe milk, etc. I find it incredibly sad when I see that and they are towing around children as well.

The rest of the time they probably hit up fast food places.

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So this brings us around to the other flaming mess of a thread on “green powders” Looking at the list of ingredients, yeah good stuff to help get you up to 30+, but the quantity is so low that it can’t possibly be of any benefit.

The question there is spices and herbs “count” toward 30 strictly because they add a little variety for the gut? Is there a dose/qty that’s better or does the sheer variety provide more benefit?

I think “don’t cook” for some is pretty broad. I wouldn’t say air frying chicken nuggets or making a grilled cheese is “cooking” but most of the kids in my son’s 3rd grade class live on that diet :rofl:

Hah, yea if I’m being honest my 4th grader isn’t too far off. If left to her own devices she’d live off of cocoa puffs, mac and cheese, and pizza. She does eat a ton of fresh fruit and lean chicken, so not too terrible.

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It feels intuitive that a relatively trace amount of a spice or herb should be less impactful than adding a larger dose of a new vegetable, even if both the spice/herb and the vegetable have equally complex chemical compositions. Lots of questions unanswered.

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As far as I understand it, lots of animals have a varied diet. Even some animals with very limited diets eat strange things on occasion to correct dietary imbalances. There will be sometimes be an evolutionary advantage to occupying a niche. Our closest ape cousins transition from flowering tree to flowering tree and have a diverse diet. But we are the most complex, and have out-competed whilst being a generalist. So diversity of food may be one of our competitive advantages. We’ve also cultivated, processed, fermented and bred our food. It’s a complex picture of benefits and costs.

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Broadly speaking, I have to believe any benefits tied to variety of foods is the most marginal of gains. Not to say it’s a bad thing. But making the switch from cheeseburgers and fries to lean meat, veggies, and not greasy carbs gets you 95% of the way there.