🎉🎉🎉 Announcement: Personalized Custom Training Plans! 🎉🎉🎉

Hey, so you definitely ran into a bug. We had 8 people looking at your account for 2 hours yesterday :smile:. But we found the issue, fixed it, and it’s in testing now.

It should be good later today.

The bug you had was that three different training approaches all gave the same plan, which shouldn’t happen.

We’ll let you know when it’s up, then you can try again.

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Thank you for reporting that; well get that fixed in the new calendar

not working well, created a mess in my plan

Similar to what others are seeing I’ve tried creating a few different plans and the volume is much lower than I expected. It’s good that the AI is taking into account recent training volume, but I would expect the volume to increase as the plan progresses. Instead, it looks like it just increases the intensity and keeps short durations of the workouts instead of increasing workout lengths on Z2 rides.

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EDIT: We found this bug and fixed it, should be working for you now! :tada:

Are you clicking Apply at the bottom of the Plan Settings after you select a different number of workouts? The changes won’t apply until you click that button. It’s currently working for me if I change the number of workouts and click Apply.

So you could use a Demanding approach and then go down to 4 workouts per week. As long as you don’t get a Warning, your plan should be good to go.

As for building a plan specifically around your time constraints, that’s on our roadmap!

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I had the same issue. Appeared to be about past dated A races. My issue got fixed. Not sure if the underlying bug got fixed

Can I please ask a question about replacing existing plan workouts with my own custom workouts?

I have a number of vo2 custom workouts that I like to do. They are progressive and the PL for each increases as they go.

Can I replace the Tuesday vo2 orkout in my plan with one of my custom workouts? Would this cause any issues with the plan? Do I just add in my own custom workout to the respective day and then delete the existing planned workout?

Thanks

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This is great in many ways, thanks for building! Really appreciate the 4 day option too.

I’m getting a bug where I specify all workouts to be outdoors, but the third workout of the week appears indoors and that cannot be changed in the edit drawer (the option for outdoor is greyed out and not possible to select). This has been happening consistently as I’ve tried building different length plans. At one point I think they seemed to convert to outdoor workouts on their own after a time, but as it’s not resolving on it’s own for my latest planning attempt, I’m not sure if that’s consistent. In any case seems to be a bug.


Hmm… I have a “B” race this weekend - maybe the same bug?

Did it fix itself or did you have to report it?

TL;DR: Custom Training Plans’ planning output varies by window length — shorter windows (1-2 months) lead me to consecutive Build phases, while longer ones (3+ months) follow the Base, Build, Specialty cycle. That raises questions about its optimization. I’d also like CTP to adapt outside of the B, B, S cycle when it better suits training goals, especially as a newer cyclist focused on building FTP without need for specialization.

Aside from the bug I mentioned in a previous post above, I’ve been testing plans with different durations. There’s a big change in how Custom Training Plans (CTP) directs training based on how long I ask it to plan ahead. If I keep planning for one or two months at a time, I end up with more back-to-back build phases. But if I plan for three months or more, I’m on the Base, Build, Specialty cycle.

To give some context, I’m currently completing a Build phase. Using the one and two month planning windows with CTP, I get more Build. If I give it three months, I get Base next. I don’t know enough about planning to know the best approach, but it seems like there are some big differences between the Base, Build, Specialty structure and the two different recommendations depending on how long I plan for. This makes it hard to say how CTP’s optimization is working overall.

Since I’m avoiding Specialty right now, I can use this to my advantage and plan in a way that works for me. But I’m curious about if the length of the planning window should be affecting the planning approach, and why it affects CTP’s optimization of the next steps in the training plan.

I’ve read that there will be some new functionality where AT will check in on training volume each month, and CTP will look at what the previous phasing was and keep going from there. Those two things sound like they might help address this - and ideally, we’d see the month-to-month vs. 3-month plus planning outputs converge. Will they?

Also, will CTP always adhere to the Base, Build, Specialty training cycles? I’ve heard and read on the forum and podcast that for someone starting out with cycling (like me) who’s not training for an event and is mainly focused on improving fitness and FTP, cycles of just Base & Build might be more useful. Will CTP be able to recognize that and adjust accordingly, or should I be building a plan manually?

As a new cyclist who’s getting a lot out structured training, this update is exactly what I hope for. I like to know that my training is being analyzed and the suggested plan ahead is tailored to my goals based on my commitment level (availability and training intensity). I’d also appreciate it if CTP/AT could explain why the choices and adaptations are being made so I can learn and trust that the optimization is happening in the way that aligns best with my intentions. I’m excited about any progress TR makes in this direction. Thanks for building something that feels like a great step forward. JT

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Workflow suggestion: move naming the plan to the same screen with selecting Start Date. Right now having a step in the process to just give your plan a name seems like an unneeded step in the process. It would be smoother to ask me to name the plan at the same time I’m selecting a start date. Maybe even consolidate Goal into this one screen

My thinking is that both the name and the start date (plus Goal) are really about the Plan Overview / summary: what am I training for, when do I want to start training, how long do I want to train for, and how do I think of this plan (the name I’m giving it). Plus selecting all of these at the same time is more logical - at least for me - and I can see the key info on one screen.

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Possible Bug: I created a test plan, and when I’m on the final “Overview” screen I see 5 phases indicated from the phase bars, but only 4 phases from phase description (e.g., Base Phase - Oct 1st)

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I don’t think this question has been asked, and excuse me if it’s silly, but I’ve converted my Saturday training session to a ‘Solo Ride’ and am wondering if on that day there is anything for me to load onto my headunit as I would do with an outdoor training session, or if I just go out and ride and TR will link that ride with the scheduled ‘Solo Ride’ automatically?

I did a live chat with TR

Cool update! Looking forward to (probably) using it, when I end the off-season late November.

As it ist, the custom Training Plans sometimes seem a little…strange though. E.g. if I want to do a 1 month endurance block, it still splits it into a base-build-specialty structure, for a week each. Is that intended?

Also, if I’m not training for any specific events or working on specific weaknesses, the suggestion used to be to skip specialty and just go base-build. The AI seems to cut short my base though, if I put in those parameters, and add more specialty. Is that specific to my recent work / phases?

Lastly, it would be great if there was an option to add specific durations for the days when selecting specific training phases instead of a AI generated plan. That is a really useful aspect of the newer UI and makes adding single training phases quite inconvenient, if it’s not there. Is that on the roadmap as well?

Another UI / UX suggestion: change the name of “Overview” in the Plan Builder workflow to be Review / Plan Review

Rationale:

  1. The button on the phase before “Overview” to move to the “Overview” phase says “Review Plan”, so renaming this to be “Review” would be consistent with this button
  2. From a workflow perspective, it feels like this last screen “Overview” is really asking me to review the proposed plan and either tweak it to add it to my calendar.
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We’ll link your ride with the scheduled Solo Ride automatically. You’ll see RPE/wattage targets (+ guidance on how to approach that ride) for the Solo Ride in the workout details on your TR calendar, but it won’t send a workout to your head unit unless you have a TR outside workout scheduled.

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Odd bug, I’ll take a look and bring this one to the team. Thanks!

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I just quickly had a go creating a training plan with the new system, and it seems promising. However, after choosing an aggressive approach, it recommended me 8 hours a week. I am currently doing more than 12 hours a week, so there might be a few issues here.

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