Joe is team no pull as well. You’ll see Keegan blast him 1:1 in that video. (4:53 mark)
Apparently, Keegan won’t let you ride his wheel rent free. 
If you’re reading this KS, just know that if I could make my 100kg lump move fast enough to be at the front, it would be my absolute honor to pull for you.
I’ll take a look. I’ve seen nearly all of Joe’s videos and haven’t noticed it nearly at the same level. I’ve watched probably 6-7 of Drew’s in the last week and it was pretty bad.
lol same! I think tobin has a sweet gig. Just pull for Keegan as much and as fast as you can.
Easy!
I’ve tried to watch Drew Dillman’s videos as people seem to love him but something about him just rubs me the wrong way. Nothing ever appears to be his fault and if only people would get out his way and bow down to his superior cross skills he’d have won. His commentary seems to be super nasty to other riders, often childish name calling, for absolutely no reason. I watched that Gravel Nats one and he’s having an uncalled for pop at Pete Stetina for asking him to pull through
I watch them purely because I’m on the trainer and remaining gravel content is minimum. Found him recently and you’re spot on. He’ll call out someone’s “non UCI length socks” and all sorts of petty garbage. After watching vegan cyclist for so long, who is constantly calling himself out and apologizing on his behalf for momentary dumb things he has done in races, it’s a stark difference seeing no pull dillmans complaining about everything.
Yeah, I think they could probably use him more strategically though
I keep editing this. Pardon. Is Keegan the only racer out there with a true domestique in Tobin? How long do we think till others adopt this style if at all? I know there are ‘teams’ out there but they’re not true teams in the sense of world tour/conti teams if that makes sense. Payson is always talking about ‘us maxxis riders or sram riders look out for each other because we share a sponsor’ but that’s really not the same to me when I think of teams out there racing. I keep thinking about how Sarah Sturm did a lead-out for Gee because they both were sponsored by specialized but not really the same ‘team’. Rambling - but hopefully that makes some sense.
The fun thing is that in one of the recent episodes of the Bonk Bros podcast, where Dillman is one of the hosts, he was sincerely wondering why people were making fun of him in the comments for not being able to clip in quickly or something like that. How not smart does a person have to be not to see the connection between his own manners and community’s response.
I honestly thought I was the only one who didn’t like him as a person. This thread shows that I’m far from alone.
That sounds like gold, particularly because I watched a video this week where he was ragging on a guy in front of him for “stutter stepping” when remounting his bike, and the guy was also struggling to clip in on a single track section.
Sounds like some great irony.
I hate to rag on a guy I don’t know, but I have consumed hundreds of hours of gravel content on the trainer, and he’s probably the only personality that’s really rubbed me wrong. A lot of the other top guys all seem really cool. The girls as well, but one female lifetime rider didn’t paint the best picture of herself in last years race series videos…
Joe’s and everyone else seems to be bleeding out of their eyeballs. 460W for 5:30 just to stay on his wheel, yeah, he’s not pulling for long before being ejected 
I wouldn’t call Tobin a “true domestique.” I mean how long is he really out there pacing him for in these races. He may do a lead out to get the pace going from the start but at Leadville, for example, it wasn’t for very long.
I like the individual racing. Teams are fine for the roads but I really hope they leave the dirt alone. And would it even be viable on dirt roads?
Speaking of Keegan, he sure isn’t dominating everything this year. Maybe he’s past his peak at age 30 or maybe he’s found his limit (point) where more volume in training starts to lead to over-training.
I would guess it is more likely what usually happens in these things, he is likely as strong or stronger, but the field has closed some of the gap. And the field is more competitive and more closely marking him out of races where tactics and drafting play a bigger role. Plus maybe some bad luck he hasn’t had in prior year.
His results for the year seem to show this. He won Sea Otter as well as Leadville by a considerable margin. Those are races where he could use his power and skill, and not be as easily marked. Unbound and Gravel Nats have greater numbers and much more tactics and drafting. From the footage of those races that I saw it looks like he could get an inch without someone understandably marking him.
I cannot recall the exact quote but Joe says something to Keegan along the lines of “dude, I’m no where near as strong as you so I cannot offer help”.
I’ve watched a lot of Joe’s videos and he is not a “I’m not going to pull through type of guy”. He definitely does everything he can to get a high placing and work with the group. Another video, where he made the split with the breakaway, he can be heard telling the group “c’mon guys we gotta go faster because they are gaining on us”.
Yep, exactly. I’ve watched enough of his videos to know that he does work. Hell, even in his video of the nats he is shown as working …
457w just to try and stay on his wheel. No wonder Keegan can ride away from the competition at Leadville and Steamboat
But not at Gravel Nats? 
To be fair though, Joe put out 5.67wkg (based on his screenshot) which isn’t all that much for 5mins early in the race. The climb at that spot is only 3.2%, so raw watts are definitely a huge factor and putting out 460W for 5m is no joke … but I’d expect Keegan and other pros to be able to do enough to pull away or shatter the field, though it may not be a strategic move.
Here’s the 2024 BWR:CA opener as comparison - longer and much steeper (6.7%), with Beers putting out an eye watering 541W … best I can find is that he’s 79kg, which puts him at 6.85wkg. Considering others were within a second, you better believe they were in the 6.5wkg range. Joe Goettl btw did 460W (~5.67wkg) and was 20s slower. Speed wasn’t massively different either, so drafting was somewhat of a factor in both (29kmh vs. 24kmh), obviously more so at Nats but not massively.
That’s not that crazy if you look at W/KG. It looks more like a test or a small attack to cause a breakaway. I’m sure Keegan is capable of much more than than.
